we're back with lanny davis, jennifer stefano, and mark simone.nny, let me begin with you. now that they've fingered wilkins, several people have, what advice would you give them? >> even the chairman, the republican chairman did not say larry, you're incorrigible. they said the office -- someone in the office there are 1500 people and now you're fingering someone who wasn't fingered by anyone. you just made that up. so please, let's at least stick to the facts. you're my old friend. you're better than that. >> no, but i think -- i don't agree. >> well, it's a fact. they never fingered -- the general counsel. they said the office of the general counsel. >> if you read peggy noonan -- i can't spend the whole time on this. but if you read peggy noonan's thing, she said -- i'm going to read this, darn it. this is this guy lerner's senior adviser. okay? and this is the transcript. reque did lerner say whether she agreed or not? "she said it should go to the chief counsel." question, "the irs chief counsel?" answer, "the irs chief counsel." now, that's