i'm hopeful that justice will be served. >> jennifer weisselberg, thank you very much. s, chris, i appreciate you having me. >>> the trump organization has denied any wrongdoing. allen weisselberg has not been accused of any wrongdoing. we did reach out to mr. weisselberg and his legal team. they did not agree to come on. barry weisselberg, who is jennifer's ex-husband, had no comment when contacted by cnn. let's unpack what we just heard. what matters, what does this suggest? we have the perfect guest, former assistant attorney general for new york state. he led the investigation and prosecution of trump university and he is here, next. priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60%. these are all great. and when you get a big deal... you feel like a big deal. ♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal. it's moving day. and while her friends are doing the heavy lifting, ♪ jess is busy moving her xfinity internet and tv services. it only takes about a minute. wait, a minute? but what have you been doing for the last two hours? ...delegating? oh, good one. move your xf

i'm hopeful that justice will be served. >> jennifer weisselberg, thank you very much. hanks, chris, i appreciate you having me. >>> the trump organization has denied any wrongdoing. allen weisselberg has not been accused of any wrongdoing. we did reach out to mr. weisselberg and his legal team. they did not agree to come on. barry weisselberg, who is jennifer's ex-husband, had no comment when contacted by cnn. let's unpack what we just heard. what matters, what does this suggest? anything that sounds incriminating against the ex-president? we have the perfect guest, former assistant attorney general for new york state. he led the investigation and prosecution of trump university and he is here, next. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/promo ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ deposit, plan and pay with easy tools from chase. simplicity feels goo

but i'll tell you, lawrence, it sure looks to me they may be interviewing jennifer weisselberg to see if they can get at potential crimes if there's evidence of potential crimes by barry weisselberg, the son, and then leverage that to try to convince allen weisselberg, the father to flip on donald trump. so allen weisselberg may find himself having to choose between donald trump and his own sons. >> that looks like where it's going. glen kirschner, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> well, republicans are now publicly siding with vladimir putin against the president of the united states. proof that for some republicans loyalty to the united states depends entirely on who is the president of the united states. e president of the united states you can't plan for your period's... what the gush moments. but the right pad can. only always ultra thins have rapiddry technology and, they absorb 40% faster. the gush happens fast. that's why always absorbs faster. washed your hands a lot today? probably like 40 times. hands feel dry? like sandpaper

that's jennifer weisselberg. we had the opportunity to speak with her. let's take a listen.ed to a son of trump organization chief financial officer allen weisselberg. >> allen weisselberg is defined by what donald thinks about him, about saving him money regardless every day proving his worth by doing that. creatively. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes. >> she says she gained her own insights into the trump orbit before her marriage to barry weisselberg ended in a bitter divorce. from visiting trump's signature golf courses to her front row seat at the 2016 presidential inaugural she says the weisselberg family has been loyal to donald trump and he's been good to them. her ex-husband barry managing trump's ice rinks in new york central park and believed in 2004 trump and melania gave them a big wedding gift, their own apartment overlooking the park. you thought your apartment you're living in was a gift, this is congratulations. >> i wrote them a th

lord knows what type of conversations were had, the things allen weisselberg talked about. jennifer and her ex-husband made these tax returns and they made certain financial filings that may be at odds with the financial filings done by trump's organization, his company. and so what you have is vance's office in the manhattan da's office combing through millions of pages of these documents provided by the accounting firm for trump and the trump organization. and it only takes one small thing for wire fraud, tax fraud, bank fraud to take someone down. and so i wouldn't be so casual for people to dismiss jennifer weisselberg and the potential for her to actually help the prosecutors figure out what these numbers mean and what these documents have in terms of import. >> that's what you focus on, tax returns as being the biggest vulnerability for donald trump? >> tax returns, financial fraud, misrepresentations made regarding assets. jennifer weisselberg and her ex-husband lived in a trump organization central park-facing apartment for years. she thought it was a wedding gift. turns out

but i'll tell you, lawrence, it sure looks to me like they may be interviewing jennifer weisselberg toee if they can get at potential crimes if there's evidence of potential crimes by barry weisselberg, the son, and then leverage that to try to convince allen weisselberg, the father, to flip on donald trump. so allen weisselberg may find himself having to choose between donald trump and his own sons. >> that looks like where it's going. glenn kirschner, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> well, republicans are now publicly siding with vladimir putin against the president of the united states. proof that for some republicans loyalty to the united states depends entirely on who is the president of the united states. start your day with secret. secret stops sweat 3x more than ordinary antiperspirants. the new provitamin b5 formula is gentle on skin. with secret, outlast anything! no sweat. secret want to brain better? unlike ordinary memory supplements— neuriva has clinically proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. mem

so, as someone who has spent a lot of time with allen, with his sons, jennifer weisselberg can talk aboutics and potentially give investigators insights into the family. >> and it also seems as if they're looking into allen weisselberg's sons, barry and jack, and their connection to the trump organization. >> yes. so, one of the things that we know vance's office is looking into is this apartment that was provided to jennifer and her husband, barry, by former president trump back in 2004 when they got married. now, jennifer weisselberg told us that her understanding was that it was this wonderful gift, a wedding gift, in fact, and it was only later that she found out that it was actually a corporate apartment owned by the trump organization, so you know, that raises questions on how it was accounted for that investigators are going to want to look into. >> all right. much more to come on this, i'm sure. rich schapiro, thank you. lindsey, thank you as well, guys. >>> coming up, my special report, life in limbo, president biden ended president trump's muslim immigration ban but thousands of

conversation -- here's part of the conversation between our nbc news colleague tom winter and jennifer weisselbergporter: how often, in your time around the weisselberg family, did donald trump's name come up? was it kind of a constant presence of who he is and who they were working with, or was it something that was not a normal part of discussion? >> it absolutely defines who they are. every day. >> let's bring in nbc's investigations correspondent tom winter who had that exclusive interview with jennifer weisselberg. also joining us, our friend, marketing and branding expert donny deutsch. first, tom winter, congratulations on getting this interview, and second, why is she speaking out? >> congratulations also to my colleague, adam reese, who i worked closely with on this. when you look at why she's speaking out, she has been involved with a bitter divorce with her ex-husband, barry weisselberg, allen weisselberg's son who you were discussing just moments ago, nicole, and there is an ongoing not only a divorce battle but a custody battle. she currently does not have custody of her kids and base

jennifer weisselberg is pretty close to the center of gravity here.husband is one of allen weisselberg's sons. here she's talking about trump using gifts to exert control over people. take a listen. >> they control people by compensating you with homes and things. then it's hard to leave an organization when, for example, they pay for my children's tuition or they're compensating a gift such as the apartment. it's not easy to walk away when they provide your home. >> mr. wu, this reminded me a lot when i read mary trump's book. she said the family would live rent-free and were so dependent on trump. where might the crimes be in the way that he doled out money or is this just drama around what the real crimes are? >> the crimes would be in the valuation. for example, they can exert pressure on the family members if they properly reported this on their taxes, were they treating this as a business expense? that's where the exposure comes. i've defended white collar criminals and prosecuted them. if they have your family members, that's a lot of leverage

jennifer weisselberg is offering insights into donald trump's top money man, his family as well as thegation. >> allen weisselberg is defined by what donald thinks about him about saving him money regardless, every day, proving his worth by doing that creatively. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes. >> how many times have you specifically talked with the manhattan district attorney's office? >> multiple times. >> okay. and it's not over. >> join me now. msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber host of, of course, msnbc's "the beat." good to see you. what stands out to you in the interview, for me it's everything they would ask. the goods. everything. how about you? >> great to see you, alex. happy saturday to everyone. insight into how the d.a. is approaching this case and they could go broad or they could go narrow and they could check a box or they could be getting in the weeds and now as you emphasize in your reporting and this in, s nbc interview, they're a

. >> among other things, prosecutors have called in his former daughter-in-law, jennifer weisselberg,e of his sons, and she has been able to provide records and information on how the trump organization paid her former husband, alan weisselberg's son, partly by loaning a free apartment to him. problem is with this free apartment, it was for seven years on central park south in manhattan. problem with taking a free apartment, if you don't declare it on taxes could be in a lot of trouble, it's a form of compensation. what she said to me at one point is what the trump organization does is give you this stuff, and then as a means of control. then if you haven't declared it, they've got you, and you've got to do whatever they ask you to do. and so what she is good witness for is just describing the relationships inside this opaque trump organization. people doing this probe are very interested in basically what is weisselberg's relationship with trump and she's been very forthcoming about that. >> if anyone is watching this and getting a free apartment, i'm not an accountant but you have t

so, there is two witnesses who are insiders, weisselberg, obviously, would be very key, not jennifer, but her father-in-law, her ex-father-in-law, and michael cohen is in a position to know. they're also looking at the stormy daniels $130,000 payment in which michael cohen went to jail for that, and named donald trump as individual number one in the indictment, in the southern district of new york. so, that could be something else that vance is looking at, is how is that treated on the books and records of the trump organization? that would be another crime. >> in response to that sentence, cohen was released due to covid concerns. he still has to finish out his home confinement through november. i want to shift gears a little bit and talk about governor andrew cuomo. he's facing a new accuser this morning and "the new york times" is reporting new allegations of sexual harassment from alyssa mcgrath. she's the first current aide to speak publicly about allegations of harassment. she told the "times" that cuomo ogled her body, made remarks on her looks, made suggestive comments to her

and nbc's tom winter sat down with jennifer weisselberg for an exclusive interview today asking her about her former father-in-law. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes. >> her ex-husband barry managing trump's ice rinks in new york's central park, and she believed that in 2004 trump and melania gave them a big wedding gift, their own apartment overlooking the park. >> so you thought that the apartment you were living in was a gift, this is a -- congratulations. >> i wrote them a thank you note. >> and all along it was just a corporate trump organization apartment? >> i didn't understand these things. i was a ballet dancer. come on. >> in reality trump didn't give them the apartment. he let them live there rent free, paying only for utilities. an arrangement that could raise legal and tax questions about how the weisselbergs in the trump organization accounted for it. when the arrangement was reported last fall it caught the attention of manhattan district attorney c

many others, which has to do with the gifting of a multimillion dollar corporate apartment to jennifer weisselbergso there will be a question about whether that was reported on their tax returns. so, i think she's clearly going to be interviewed very carefully by the manhattan district attorney's office for, you know, every piece of evidence that she has, and apparently, she does have physical documents, which is also referred to in that article. >> you know, this reporting, i think, is so intriguing, but also uncomfortable, because you're reminded that this is a family under scrutiny and it's her, i guess, her ex-husband, so it's her ex-father-in-law. what is the approach, usually, of prosecutors and investigators when it's that dynamic, a family dynamic under scrutiny, under investigation? >> well, you're absolutely right. it reminds me, during the enron investigation, we were confronted with a somewhat similar situation when andrew and his wife, lee, were both involved in criminality. but they're husband and wife. they had young children, and you know, it just feels uncomfortable to pit one aga

. >> reporter: for 14 years, jennifer weisselberg was married to son of trump organization chief financial trump thinks about him, about saving him money regardless, every day, proving his worth by doing that, creatively. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes! >> reporter: she says she gained her own insights into the trump orbit before her marriage to barry weisselberg ended in a bitter divorce. from visiting trump's signature golf courses to her front row seat at the 2016 presidential inaugural, she says the weisselberg family has been loyal to donald trump and he's been good to them. her ex-husband, barry, managing trump's ice rinks in new york's central park. and she believed in 2004 trump and melania gave them a big wedding gift. their own apartment overlooking the park. >> so you thought that the apartment you were living in was a gift. this is a, congratulations -- >> i wrote them a "thank you" note. >> and all along, it was just a corporate trump organization a