jenny chapman, a question here from paul.power and stopped the flights to rwanda, as is your policy , would you put up your policy, would you put up some migrants in one of your one of your houses? >> paul aukus so what we need to do is we need to stop the boats coming. but what? so you've got a choice about how you do that. you can have this rwanda policy, which is costing half £1 billion and counting and already already and counting and already already and absolutely no one's been sent to rwanda yet, and at best is going to deal with a few hundred, maybe 300 migrants. you had 400 arriving just the other day. you've had thousands over easter weekend. the idea that this is going to resolve anything is just for the birds. so you've got to take or so that's one option what the government's doing. or you could take that half £1 billion and you could spend it on enforcement , on returns unit, on enforcement, on returns unit, on policing, on border force, on making sure that you've got the agreements in place and the enforcement i

baroness jenny chapman. >> so let's go straight out to you.he deputy prime minister? what should angela rayner be going on? it is what you might call a target rich environment at the moment. so we could go on the length of time. it's taking people to get hospital treatment. we could go on crime and policing. you can only have one, but you can only have one. i would be tempted , have one. i would be tempted, given the news we've had this week, that mortgage rates are not coming down like people thought they would, and people are really struggling to make those monthly payments at the moment. i think something to do with the housing market, be that leasehold renters or mortgages, i think that's something that people are talking about. people want to hear the labour party take the government on over. so i wouldn't be surprised, given that that's something that angela rayner is responsible for in her department as well, in communities that might be something she might want to raise. >> leo docherty that's a worrying question, isn't it, because it'

we heard from jenny chapman, baroness chapman, saying that labour could reverse its it's saying we're it could be quite the lifeline. i don't think any of us saw that coming. i still feel like it's a bit of a curve ball. i've been taken somewhat by surprise. but let's talk about rishi sunak second day of his transcontinental attempt to woo our european allies. yesterday it was poland in warsaw . today, it was poland in warsaw. today, berlin, germany, a new alliance after yesterday's £75 billion rollout. rishi sunak do you think he starts to look like? well, it's starting look pretty prime ministerial. >> he's showing his election fangs. martin to go back to three three working days. 123 assault on labour started with getting the people who should be at work back into work. the government would say get them off benefits into work. that was friday. next working day monday, he said his rwanda plan with how we'll get the planes off, off, off, off the off the ground when they're cleared by the lords yesterday. huge hike in in labourin yesterday. huge hike in in labour in in in defence spen

that's a quote from his ally jenny chapman on chopper's chapman to me on chopper's political podcastlmost. say wherever he almost. he'll say wherever he needs say get elected. needs to say to get elected. that tory attack on that will be the tory attack on him. okay. >> well, i can speak with >> well, i can now speak with the editor of labourlist, the former editor of labourlist, peter peter, welcome the former editor of labourlist, pet

few of those pledges remain intact, but baroness jenny chapman, who was starmer's political secretarylains so things that he said for years ago, before we left the european union, before covid, before before the financial crisis that liz truss pledged plunge us into as a country, before our mortgages all went through the roof, things you could say then, you know, it's just not pragmatic or realistic to say the exact same things . now, realistic to say the exact same things. now, starmer's determination to root out the anti semitism that had surged under corbyn led to a zero tolerance approach, and quickly high profile figures being sacked or losing the whip , sacked or losing the whip, including the former leader himself changing the party hasn't been easy. when labour lost the hartlepool by—election to the tories in may 2021, starmer came close to resigning . starmer came close to resigning. the ensuing reshuffle aimed to clip the wings of deputy leader angela rayner, but ended with her gaining a whole host of titles. borisjohnson her gaining a whole host of titles. boris johnson but

we've heard a bit about that from baroness chapman, jenny chapman of darlington, she's a key ally ofs might be sent back to rwanda, they can't sell or scrap that as rachel reeves. no, this money is sunk. money the money is invested. if it started to work even a bit, it's hard to get rid of it. >> thank you very much indeed. great interview. really insightful. christopher hope there. our political editor live from darlington . he's got to from darlington. he's got to catch the train now i think, still to come, we'll digest that interview a little bit more. but a scientist's about to discover that we are not alone. the new space telescope is set to turn its gaze towards a distant, distant planet to investigate one of the most tantalising hints of alien life ever discovered. have we found aliens? that is the question after your headlines . after your headlines. >> it's 234. i'm sofia wenzer in the gb newsroom. your headlines humza yousaf says he will not resign as scotland's first minister ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week. it's after the collapse of the snp's power sh

few of those pledges remain intact, but baroness jenny chapman, who was starmer's political secretarye european union, before covid, before the financial crisis that liz truss pledged plunges into as a country, before our mortgages, all went through the roof, things you could say then you know, it's just not pragmatic or realistic to say the exact same things. now, starmer's determination to root out the anti—semitism that had surged under corbyn led to a zero tolerance approach, and quickly high profile figures being sacked or losing the whip, including the former leader himself . including the former leader himself. changing the party hasn't been easy when labour lost the hartlepool by—election to the tories in may 2021, starmer came close to resigning . starmer came close to resigning. the ensuing reshuffle aimed to clip the wings of deputy leader angela rayner, but ended with her gaining a whole host of titles for . but weeks later, the titles for. but weeks later, the partygate scandal began to break and labour passed the tories in the polls . the polls. >> boozy parties in downi

. >> few of those pledges remain intact, but baroness jenny chapman , who was starmer's chapman, whoars ago , before we left the european ago, before we left the european union, before covid and before the financial crisis that liz truss pledged plunges into as a country before our mortgages all went through the roof, things you could say then you know, it's just not pragmatic or realistic to say the exact same things now. starmer's determination to root out the anti—semitism that had surged under corbyn led to a zero tolerance approach, and quickly high profile figures being sacked or losing the whip , sacked or losing the whip, including the former leader himself changing the party hasn't been easy. when labour lost the hartlepool by—election to the tories in may 2021, starmer came close to resigning . starmer came close to resigning. the ensuing reshuffle aimed to clip the wings of deputy leader angela rayner, but ended with her gaining a whole host of titles. >> boris johnson but weeks later, the partygate scandal began to break and labour passed the tories in the polls. >> boozy