i know jenny freedonbach talked earlier, but do you have any idea of how many people live in their vehicles? i know one fact show the from the coalition says the homeless population from the 2001 data shows it's at least 6500 homeless in the city and 2.5% live in their vehicles. so that would be 162 people minimum. but do you know? >> it's more than that. >> is that growing? >> she will give you the answer. thank you very much. >> so the way -- yes, from the homeless count, those are the percentages, but the homeless count is known to be a really strong undercount. so i would consider that a minimum number from 2011. based on anecdotal information is seems that the numbers have risen again and this correlates with the number of people in shelters. so the way that they do it, they just basically eyeball the vehicle from the outside and determine from an exterior look whether or not there are people inside and they assume there is two people in every vehicle. so they don't knock on the door or engage in a conversation. that is how they get the numbers just to give you an idea. >> that is help