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jens stoltenberg is in washington to mark the anniversary of the alliance. on tuesday, he met the u.s. president in the white house. praised countries for increasing their contributions, butut called for more. >> if yoyou look at the charts d different things, you go back 15 a roller coaster ride down in terms of payment. since i came into office, a rocketship up. we picked up $40 million of additional money -- $40 billion of additional money and it looks $100we will have 10 billion more by 2020 or a bit into 2020. >> for more, here's philip reporting. with all thegether foreign ministers of the nato member countries, jen stoltenberg headed to the white house where he told donald trump that his message was having a big impact. the message being that of a u.s. president who calls nato obsolete oncnce upon a t time bt has been encouraging all nato countries to be spending more of their respective gdp's on defense spending. the u.s. president took credit in the oval office meeting with four countries is spending more of their money on defense. but, he still sin

secretary-general jens stoltenberg appeals for unity in an address to the u.s. congress to mark the alliance's 70th anniversary. he says there will not be a new arms race with russia. across the political divide, british prime minister theresa may holds talks with opposition leader jeremy corbyn, trying to break the bricks it deadlock, trying to avoid the chaotic exit from the eururopean union. a player for juventus becomes the target for racist abuse from fans at an away match. the player himimself is now drawing criticism as well. we will tell you why. i'm brent goff. to our viewers on pbs and the united states and around the world, welcome. secretary-general said that the alliance is not seeking a new arms race or a new cold war with russia. he did call for greater effort and deterrents for countries to increase their defense spending. he had a joint meeting with both chambers of the u.s. congress for nato's 70th anniversary. >> one, a piece of the berlin wall. the idea is to keep ideas in and people out. the other one is a twisted steel beam from the north t

joining me now, nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg. thank you so much. >> let me ask you about a report that was presented by douglas lilu in which saying after visiting nato countries across europe, he came to the conclusion -- and this is part of a study -- he came to the conclusion that the single greatest challenge to nato is the sense that the president of the united states is not committed to the alliance. >> well, president trump has stated again and again that he is a strong supporter of nato. he did that again this week from the white house. he did that in the "state of the union" speech, and he did that when he met all the other nato leaders at the nato summit in brussels last july. and this commitment to nato is underpinned by actions, because opposite to what many people believe, the united states is not reducing their presence in europe, but actually, united states is increasing their military presence in europe. we have more troops, more exercises, more prepositioned equipment. so, united states is committed to nato in wo

of congress, i have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you his excellency jens stoltenberg, the secretary-general of the north atlantic treaty organization. secretary-general stoltenberg: madam speaker, mr. vice president, honorable members of the united states congress, ladies and gentlemen, i am really truly honored and grateful for the privilege of addressing you all today and to represent the 29 members of the nato alliance. 70 years ago tomorrow, nato's founding treaty was signed in this great city, and on that day, president truman said, we hope to create a shield against aggression and the fear of aggression, which will permit us to get on with the real business of government and society, the business of achieving a fuller and happier life for all our citizens. our alliance was created by people -- who have lived through two devastating world wars. they knew only too well the horror, the suffering, and the human and material cost of war. they were determined that this would never happen again, and they were also determined to stand up to the expansion of the soviet u

but first jens stoltenberg was at the white house today asp president train pressed member countriesve up to their financial obligations. a brief timago i discussed the meeting with our state department correspondent barbara neett-usher. the president isf the strongest critics of nato. how are he and the secretary-general going to paper over theracks? barbara: yes, he sees nato members as freeloaders who are benefiting frothe american defense umbrella without paying their fair share. mr. stoltenberg's approach is to praise him for adding urgency to what is a real issue, that many not meetinge theiring up to meet targets, and millions more so stoltenberg credits trump for that in this shows the strength of the alliance but leaders are concerned about mr. trump's scathing criticisms. laura: what does it say that jens stoltenberg has been invited address a joint ssion of congress by lawmakers? do they see nato differently to the president? barbara: certainly completely different from the president, and it is a bipartisw. trere is orthodoxy on the hill that americans areger in nato than

laura: jens stoltenberg, secretary general of nato,hank you so much for joining us. sec.-gen. nberg: thank you so much. laura: today tempers flared in the u.s. congress as the house judiciary committee voted to subpoena the full mueller report.rn the at general says he will get something to lawmakers by mid-april, but for democrats, the timetable and the possible redactions are not acceptable. findings were released that there was no collusion betweengn the trump campnd russia but no conclusions on obstruction of justice. for more on the push to get the full report from i spoke with elizabeth wydr, the president of the constitutional accountability center. elizabeth wydra, how much pressure does this put on the ss. attorney general, the threat of a subpoethat congress can see the full mueller report? elizabeth: i think it really does put the pressure on because we could see a white house eager to perhaps slow-walk the release of the mueller report, hoping that the country moves on.e but mocrats in congress who are overseeing this look into what the mueller report stually says a

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amy: i want to go back to jens stoltenberg, the nato secretary general. how unusual is it, joe, that he addressed a joint session of congress? let's play the clip of this moment. >> nato allies must spend more on defense. this has been the clear message from president trump. and this message is having a real impact. [applause] of the years of reducing defense budgets, all allies have stopped the cuts, and all allies have increased their defense spending. amy: "all allies have increased their defense spending," jens stoltenberg, after meeting with president trump in the white house, boasting of trump's influence. i mean, think back, joe cirincione, to the beginning of the trump term, when he was slamming nato and now claiming credit for them all pouring money into weapons purchases. has nato caved to president trump? >> well, they certainly have, i guess, caved rhetorically. the actual figures are not quite as rosy as the secretary general states. for example, germany has slightly increased its defense spending, but it's not going to come anywhere close to

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jens stoltenberg walked through the challenges for nato ahead.tty good list, russia we got to worry about. we got to wrap up in afghanistan, we got to defend that southern border where we see syria and the bubbling mess down there. look north to the arctic. it sounds to me like an alliance with a real agenda going forward. >> people should not forget that article five the military response voted by the atlantic council has only been done once and that was after 9/11. >> that is absolutely correct. and i was the commander for four years as you know, and sadly, i lost 2000 troops under my command -- >> 2000? >> 2000, during the four years i was there. one-third of them were europeans. and i wrote every one of those condolence letters. the europeans stood and delivered for us after 9/11. we ought to stand with them this alliance, this transatlantic bridge has been creeking a little bit, but it's the most stable thing in the international order. we need to treasure it. >> i was having a conversation with a nato ally, a former defense minister, and th

paul: that was nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg wednesday ayes, sirring a joint meeting -- wednesday0th anniversary to have nato alliance and amid tensions with president trump who has accused some countries of not paying their fair share. john hanna is senior counselor at the defense for democracy. welcome, good to see you again. let me ask you about nato. a lot of celebrating this week, 70 years. but below the surface, a lot of tension. how much trouble is nato in? >> well, i am worried, paul. this week was a little strange. on the one happened, it was supposed to be a celebration, but at times it felt like a bit of a memorial service. [laughter] i do have the sense that people are worried about the alliance. not so much because of a lack of resources or capabilities on our eastern flank that can confront a resurgent russia, but it's more the psychological component, the political will of nato. at the end of the day, the bottom line is, is the united states prepared the fight and die for estonia, latvia and lithuania, much less montenegro and coming soon to a theater near you, nort

you congress i have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you his excellency jens stoltenberg the secretary general of the north atlantic treaty organization. wow. wow. wow. wow . madam speaker mr vice president all are all numbers so do not the states congress ladies and gentlemen i am really truly only ungrateful for the privilege of addressing you all today and to represent the twenty nine members of the nato alliance seventy years ago tomorrow nato is founding treaty was signed in this great city and they preston truman said we hope to create a shield against aggression and the fear of aggression a bulwark which will permit those to get on with the real business of government and society the business of achieving a fuller and happier life for all our citizens i. our alliance was created by people who have who had lived through two devastating world wars they knew only too well the horror or the suffering and human and material cost of war they were determined that this should never happen again and they were also determined to stand up to the expansion of the soviet union

of congress, i have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you his excellency jens stoltenberg, the secretary-general of the north atlantic treaty organization. secretary-general stoltenberg: madam speaker, mr. vice president, honorable members of the united states congress, ladies and gentlemen, i am really truly honored and grateful for the privilege of addressing you all today and to represent the 29 members of the nato alliance. 70 years ago tomorrow, nato's founding treaty was signed in this great city, and on that day, president truman said, we hope to create a shield against aggression and the fear of aggression, which will permit us to get on with the real business of government and society, the business of achieving a fuller and happier life for all our citizens. our alliance was created by people -- who have lived through two devastating world wars. they knew only too well the horror, the suffering, and the human and material cost of war. they were determined that this would never happen again, and they were also determined to stand up to the expansion of the soviet u

he made the comments while meeting today with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg.toltenberg is visiting washington for events to commemorate nato's 70th anniversary. >> they are not paying what they should be paying. they are paying close to 1%. and they are supposed be playing 2%. and the united states over the years got to a point where it is paying 4.3%, which is very unfair. and the u.s. gdp, especially under me because the gdp has gone up so much, because it is 4.3% of a much larger gdp. so we are paying for a big proportion of nato, which basically is protecting europe. so we are protecting europe. brent: that was trump there saying the u.s. is paying to protect europe. how much are nato members really spending? as of 2018, just five countries are at or above 2% of gdp which -- gdp. the u.s. is way out in front spending 3.5% on defense. unfortunately my producer just told me our graphics are not working, so i will go through. here we go, we are getting it. another four countries are close to that. the u.s., greece, estonia, the u.k. and latvia. they are spend

eastern to prepare for a session where jens stoltenberg will address members .he house judiciary committee will vote on whether to subpoena the full mother report and senate republicans -- full mueller report. we are also tracking congressional reaction to the president's threat to close the southern border. we begin the "washington journal " by asking which story you are most interested in today in washington. republicans can call at 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. you can also catch up with us on social media. on twitter it is @cspanwj. on facebook it is facebook.com/cspan. a very good wednesday morning to you. we take you to the lead story this morning in today's washington times. it focuses on the president's threat to close the southern border. it puts the economy on the line. yesterday in the oval office at a meeting with the secretary-general of nato, president trump was asked about the economic impact of closing the border with mexico. [video clip] >> sure it will have a negative impact on the economy, it is one of the

members to confront emerging threats from russia china and iran both he and nato secretary general jens stoltenberg was a renewed cords for commitments to increase defense spending germany has repeatedly been criticized for failing to meet the spending goal of two percent of g.d.p. is committed to helping nato meet its future challenges. that is washington bureau chief others under phenomenon and joins me now from the alexander nato secretary general against ultimate has been speaking to reporters what did he say. he was basically talking about the agenda for this meeting here and one huge topic here is russia and what has been described here as russia's aggressive behavior especially in the black sea and the ministers here are talking about the so-called black sea package measures including surveillance and more nato ships in the black sea with the purpose of strengthening georgia and especially ukraine with the purpose of making sure that ukraine ships can travel safely in an area that is effectively controlled by russia that courage strange has become sort of flashpoint between russia and the we

all partners georgia and ukraine the nato chief continues to brand russia a global threat with jens stoltenberg claiming the country has made the world a whole dangerous place u.s. secretary of state my pump a lack of those remarks while demanding russia remove its military personnel from venezuela and the ongoing political crisis there former american congressman ron paul thinks nato is trying to promote u.s. interests. i've argued that our foreign policy is designed to say that if you do what we tell you we'll give you a lot of money if you don't even watch out we might put on sanctions or bomb your country. and i think there's too many countries especially the european countries say well we can't defend ourselves we don't want to have to spend this money has been a big benefit you send troops over here you spend money here you give us aid and you also provide a so-called defense in case anybody whatever attack is so i think is detrimental to them but it's sort of like a spiral spoiled kid you know they don't take care of themselves so they think they're getting a good deal but ultimately i d

us president donald trump and nato secretary general jens stoltenberg say the alliance will only stay strong. if as president trump has demanded membeber countries step up defense spending a message above all directed of f course t germany. meanwhile with nato members like turkey and hungary but it's also president trump himself openly flirting with vladimir putin. a question here on quadriga is. nato at seventy who is the enemy and to discuss a question i'm joined by free issue to observers beginning with and dress clothes. editor in chief for hundreds but today who argues that. militarily nato is as strong as ever. though it's in crisis. that's trumps fault but also says andreas germany's. and also with this is claudia my your senior associate at the german institute for international and security of fast -- says how germany response to questions like that 2% spending pledge arms exports to terence and nuclear weapons will be crucial. for your of security and defense. and a very warm welcome to two or three different kind of policy fellow at the european council for relations. and r

hear from nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg during a joint meeting of congress coming up at 11:00 a.m. eastern. our live coverage will start at about 10:45 here on c-span. while we wait a. recent discussion on the 70th anniversary of the north atlantic treaty organization. yoe freeseas and radio app. we welcome stephen flanagan. they want to focus on nato, but first some background. founded 70 years ago with 29 member countries. the headquarters is brussel. the process based on unanimous consent and military decisions implemented by oversight in the north atlantic council. as it met expectations. -- has it met expectations? guest: it has shown that it has stood up against aggressiveness. in the 1990's it could adapt. the only time with the collective defense provisions of the north atlantic treaty have been invoked were in response to the attack on the united states. across the middle east its engaged in many areas to defend nuclear interest. i preface this by saying that the european union is a trade alliance, but as we watch the developments as it continues the brexit process,

. >> that's nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg. joining us nicholas burns, professor of diplomacy and international relations at the harvard kennedy school of government. here on set, nbc news and senior foreign affairs analyst, brett mcguirk. he resigned in december in protest of president trump's then decision to withdraw all u.s. troops from syria. gentlemen, good morning. we'll talk about syria in just a moment, brett. we had nick burns on yesterday laying out the case for nato that the president doesn't quite seem to get or doesn't quite seem to be able to make. in your opinion how important is nato to the united states? >> it's an extraordinary moment. nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell came together to extend this invitation to jens stoltenberg and he brought the house down with a simple message, that it's good to have friends. he talked about the importance of nato in the history but also going forward. china and russia don't have allies and partners, they have transactional relationships. so we need nato going forward. it's

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nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg addresses the joint meeting of congress. we have that live at 11 am eastern on c-span. on c-span 2, british by minister theresa may faces questions on the latest brexit negotiations in the british house of commons. after that, the head of the epa andrew wheeler testifies at a senate subcommittee hearing on his agency's 2020 budget request. later, the senate works on a couple of president trump's nominees. it is possible republicans will bring up a measure to shorten the time allowed for debate on certain executive and judicial nominations. on cspan3, the house judiciary committee hold a meeting on allowing subpoenas to be issued for former trump administration officials to testify in the mueller report. that is 9 am eastern. later, the house oversight subcommittee hears testimony from the special inspector general in charge of afghanistan reconstruction. it is underway at 2 pm eastern. >> tv was once three giant networks on a government supported service called pbs. then in 1979 a small network with an unusual name rolled ou

thyoo today on capitol hill, that is nato secretary-general there jens stoltenberg will deliver remarks to a joint meeting of congress. this will be the first for the nato chief. his invitation to speak was issued jointly by republicans and democrats and is seen by some as an effort to counter trump's pushback against the alliance. >>> new details this morning t tied to both recent deadly 737 max 8 crashes. first, the ethiopian airlines jet that crashed last month. wall street journal reporting that the pilots actually followed protocol and did turn off the autopilot mode before the plane crashed. some have been speculating the pilots may not have known how to disable the system. a preliminary report on the crash may be released sometime this week. >>> in the meantime, a new u.s. connection to the faulty sensor tied to last fall's lion air crash in indonesia. bloomberg reports the sensor had recently been repaired at a maintenance facility in florida. investigators are looking into the work done at that repair shop. signals from the sensor are believed to have forced the plane into a no

during an oval office meeting tuesday with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, president trump falselyimed his father was born in germany -- trump claimed his own father was born in germany and once again demanded germany and other nato countries increase their military spending from 2% to 4% of gdpdp. pres. trump: we have worked together in getting some of our .llies to pay their fair share it is called burden sharing. asas you knonow, when i came i s not t -- it was not so good andt is catching g up. we have seven of the 28 .ountries are currently current the rest are trying to catch up. they will catch up. some of them have no problems because they have not been paying and they are very rich. but we're looking at the 2% of gdp level. at some point, i think it is going to have to go higher to that, probably should behind. amy: the next day stoltenberg addressed a joint meeting of the house and senate. marking the 70th event of nato. >> must spend more on defense. this has been a clear message from president trump. and this message is having a real impact. [applause] reducing the defe

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at an oval office meeting with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg tuesday, president trump falsely claimed his father was born in germany. pres. trump: german and, honestly, is not saying their fair share. i have a great respect for angela and the country. my father is german, was german. wonderful place in germany. amy: fred trump was in fact born in the bronx, in new york city. it was not the first time trump made the claim. he made the comments as he once again accused germany and other nato members of paying less than their fair share of defense costs. the house oversight committee voted tuesday to subpoena carl kline, the former white hohouse personnel security director. long-time white house security specialist tricia newbold accused kline of overturning security clearances for at least 25 people, despite serious disqualifying issues. we'll have more on this story after headlines with congressmember ro khanna. the oversight committee also voted tuesday to subpoena commerce secretary wilbur ross for documents related to the department's decision to include a citizenship questi

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isit ncicap.org] >> coming up in about 45 minutes, nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg speaks to a joint meeting of the house and senate. our live coverage begins around 10:45 eastern with the secretary-general's remarks slated for 11:00 here on c-span. when the house returns for business later today, members will start work on the re-authorization of the violence against women act, which expired in february. it aims to prevent abuse and provide additional resources for victims. and includes a provision concerning domestic abuse and firearms. in the senate it's possible we may see a change in the rules for that body regarding the time for debating certain executive nominations. we'll have the house live here on c-span and the senate live on c-span2. and for some background on the violence against women act in the house, we spoke to a reporter who covers capitol hill.

await headlines from the oval office as president trump is meeting with nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg. you referenced the tweet the president sent out earlier today. seems if president trump is pleased or somewhat pleased some progress is made on the southern part of mexico as it relates to potentially dealing with immigration in that country as immigrants from the northern triangle try to make their way up north to the united states. the press secretary sarah sanders when we talked with her on the north lawn would not give timelines as when president trump might make a decision potentially closing the southern border with mexico, though she did say it is very real option, not the number one option, but still the real option president trump is potentially dealing with. watch here. >> democrats are leaving us absolutely no choice at this point. we already had to move roughly 750 personnel from ports of entry at this point. it looks like we'll have to move more. which will force the lines to go longer to cross the border. eventually it may be that it is the best decision we close the bo

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tomorrow jens stoltenberg is set to become the first nato chief to address a joint meeting of congresslet's bring in fox news senior strategic analyst general jack keane. quite heavy with us. >> good to be here. >> shannon: what you make of this situation with germany say they are not only going to not make the 2%, they will not make 1.5. they might make 1.25% and in an opinion piece in the wall street journal they say the decision is not driven by fiscal urgency, germany is projected to have a balanced budget after last year's surplus. what berlin means by this decision is clear. nato and the u.s. are not as important to germany as they used to be. what you think? >> i think that's clear. first of all, angela merkel has lost a lot of political support based on some of her major decisions that she made, particularly mass immigration, no vetting, problems like that she has internally so she's not going to serve again. let's give -- probably this is a change in her priorities and wanting to get some domestic programs done, but i truly believe that the elephant in the room as her relation