who was running the experiment at the veterans hospital in carr, but he had a friend, a man called jerald hurt, an english fifer, and he was allowed to administer it to clare so long as he recorded how she reacted to the drug. so they would say took 100-milligrams, clare starts to talk about -- oh, the flowers are amazing. she saw all the natural world. she had always good trips, usually, anyway. and so there was many years go by, she takes it for quite a few years off and on. and then, of course, it's made illegal in 1965, '66 and she doesn't take it anymore, but she bumped into abby hoffman in an elevator at her -- one of the conventions, republican national convention in miami. and she met him in the elevator, and he said house of blue, where he read about this i don't know. it i was a "new york times" reporter in the elevator, and this is how i know this story because she wrote it down. he said, have you ever taken lsd, and she says, well, yes, as a matter of fact i have. and he said, well, did you have good trips? well, yes, i did, but i only took it but ones, she said, just once. an