jeremiah workman was awarded the navy cross, the nation's second highest award for valor after leadingd through a battle in iraq. he is the author of "shadow of the sword: a marine's journey, a war of heroism and redemption." an with us again former cia operative bob baer. thank you both for your service. jeremiah you knew chris kyle and know there are questions about what he may have done and didn't do. do you have any doubts? >> there's no doubt in my mind. you know i can't get into what happened on the side of the road in texas or on top of the superdome. i don't know. but what i do know is what the man did in combat and providing tremendous support to the marines in fallujah and ramadi and al anbar in general. and the man is a stud of the military. i mean he wrote to a lot of people and i think there's people just trying to bring discredit to the story because of the success. >> yeah. that's an interesting point. bob baer to you, not only are you a cia -- former cia operative, your wife was a shooter for the cia. so you have this perspective of someone who know what is it's like to

first of all i know jeremiah workman. i was at bethesda when he was brought back. he was shot up pretty bad. and there's a young staff sergeant at the time that really grabbed hold of his bootstraps, tightened them up, and got on with life. and he's done very well. and he's fought ptsd, and he's helping other marines and navy corpsmen with ptsd. fear. i want to tell you i'm on that -- coming out of the mountains that day. fourth day into the operation. and we got ambushed. first time i'd ever been shot at. i hit the deck. very prudent thing to do. and when i looked up all those marines were looking at me lieutenant, what are we going to do? was i scared? you're damn right i was scared. first time i'd ever been shot at. were those troops scared? damn right they were scared. that is emotion. but at that point i went into action as an officer, leader of marines. i started doing what needed to be done. the thing is with fear is how you control that fear. you've got to control it. you're going to have it. you've got to control it. so it doesn't interfere with you making