bank of england, and then that intrinsically gets caught into a load of personal opinions about jeremy corbynjoe: do you think that he and trump are part of this new phenomenon? >> jeremy himself, it shows how politics can make us all stupid. we saw the sky as the basically the ringo starr of the left. this challenge was, galloway has been sent out, hello there is jeremy. he hasn't shown up and caught fire and everyone is surprised him. like everyone has been surprised by trump. everyone was surprised by nigel harris, you are right, we have got to stop being surprised by these allegedly unelected people getting huge amounts of support and thinking that maybe the world has moved on. betty: whether they are on the left, the right, in terms case, the radical, they have come up with plans because they need to win over a set up constituency? >> they do. they are also open to new ideas. you saw that in greece, you see it with corbyn, he does not have ideas of his own, so he is open to ideas that people suggest. often, they are just -- they have the advantage that they were not around in the 2000, s