this was sort of implied and i think jeremy greenstock in his testimony said, you know, there was an expectation that the council would take action, but i would have sided clearly with the french and the germans that this was not a necessity. i find it also sort of absurd that the security council would sit there and say, "yes, if any one of us comes in and maintain this is a breach, then any one of us can take military action." i don't think that's the way the security council operates or we want it to operate. giving it a clean hand -- i am sure they will be more cautious in the future about drafting their resolutions and not leaving any such implication open. >> so, just to be clear, there are really three points there. the first is that the responsibility for determining the material breach did not rest with you. you were providing evidence on which the security council would, as you say, make a judgment. >> no. >> that we are agreed on. secondly, your interpretation of 1441 was that a judgment needed to be made by the security council. having a discussion was not enough. there w

this was sort of implied and i think jeremy greenstock in his testimony said, you know, there was an expectation that the council would take action, but i would have sided clearly with the french and the germans that this was not a necessity. i find it also sort of absurd that the security council would sit there and say, "yes, if any one of us comes in and maintain this is a breach, then any one of us can take military action." i don't think that's the way the security council operates or we want it to operate. giving it a clean hand -- i am sure they will be more cautious in the future about drafting their resolutions and not leaving any such implication open. >> so, just to be clear, there are really three points there. the first is that the responsibility for determining the material breach did not rest with you. you were providing evidence on which the security council would, as you say, make a judgment. >> no. >> that we are agreed on. secondly, your interpretation of 1441 was that a judgment needed to be made by the security council. having a discussion was not enough. there w

this was sort of implied and i think jeremy greenstock in his testimony said, you know, there was an expectation that the council would take action, but i would have sided clearly with the french and the germans that this was not a necessity. i find it also sort of absurd that the security council would sit there and say, "yes, if any one of us comes in and maintain this is a breach, then any one of us can take military action." i don't think that's the way the security council operates or we want it to operate. giving it a clean hand -- i am sure they will be more cautious in the future about drafting their resolutions and not leaving any such implication open. >> so, just to be clear, there are really three points there. the first is that the responsibility for determining the material breach did not rt with you. you were providing evidence on which the security council would, as you say, make a judgment. >> no. >> that we are agreed on. secondly, your interpretation of 1441 was that a judgment needed to be made by the security council. having a discussion was not enough. there was

i must say we had excellent relations with the british extremely high regard for jeremy greenstock and i think we had very good cooperation with also very good all the way through. i had never any complaint. the americans also did not exert that much pressure i would say. at the beginning they came to us and said they thought we should carry out inspections in such and such a way. we should begin from the top and we should look for documents rather than anything else, and go in in big swarms. we didn't take their advice and they didn't complain. we knew what we wanted to do and they didn't complain. the only real pressure i felt was at the end when an assistant secretary of state came to me and talked about the pilotless, automatic planes and this contraption. this was the only moment. then he thrust some photographs on my table and i asked where did they come from. they said, "we are not going to tell you." i assumed then that they had some mole in iraq, there was leakage at least to the us, i never thought there was a leakage to the iraqis. i am not so surprised. some people thought