oz of battalion and the use of social media to build and recruit white supremacists groups is jeremy kumar of managing editor of covert action magazine and dr maya hostin a hoss can manage hoskin forbes contributor and assistant professor at loyola marymount university in the school of education thank you both so much for coming on and joining us. thanks for having me. jeremy and i want to start with you what is the cause of battalions history in regards to new young naziism and what role debate played today in the cultivation of white supremacy groups around the world. well my understanding is that the you know the war in eastern ukraine is a dirty war it hasn't been really very well covered in united states media but there's been a lot of atrocities in that war and there are elements of that ukrainian it's kind of like a vietnam war where the cranium military like the american army in vietnam was very divided and a lot of you know italian ukrainian military are ambivalent about fighting their own people of eastern ukraine because that whole war originated after a coup d'etat backed by un