with us, lord jeremy pervis, a liberal democrat of the house of lords the upper chamber. and adam ramsay, a member of proindependence group yes scotland. are there bonds of national association that people have not reckoned with, only 14 days short of the vote. have people in the other side of the argument been minimising how easily scotland will live without england and wales? >> south of the border there'll be a deep feeling of loss if scotland makes the decision. it's for the people of scotland to decide. and it's - it's a real wonderful thing. there's a democratic and peaceful process. at the outset of the programme you mentioned the river tweed, whether it will form an international barrier. i was born right on the border, just on the english side. i hope very much that a young person born in my home town will want to play a role on the scottish stage or the british stage or the international stage and not be divided by an international border, cherish the identity, allow that to flourish, but give them the best opportunity. that is why scotland should vote to stay p