i want to bring in "new york times" reporter, and msnbc contributor, jeremy peters. as you're listening to the descriptions, i'm sure it brings back a lot to you as it does for all of us. >> never chew before you think we might be coming to you. >> i'm shocked we have not been caught sneaking our lunches. especially these two with the peanut m&ms. back to the document itself, what was the chaos felt externally that now is being described internally? >> right. you have to remember that what was going on, you know, at the end of the trump campaign was such an unusual and, like, historic bit of chaos. you had the "access hollywood" tape that came out that really upended our understanding of the trump campaign, and how american voters would react to this type of controversy, and it turned out that voters ended up looking the other way at the end of the day, they heard what he said on that tape. you know, the vulgarities that i don't need to describe here, and they elected him president hey. and i think that's what -- if i were in the minds of trump's lawyers, i would be

also with us, columnist kimberly atkins stohr and jeremy peters. in pennsylvania, the black vote in philadelphia and other places of the state were actually down from four years previously for joe biden. he picked up more support in other parts of the state that donald trump had enjoyed in 2016 and did not in 2020. they really have to -- all things being equal, knowing that donald trump has a lot of support in western pa and other parts of the state, they have to do something to turn out that block vote in philadelphia where they have a big city machine -- democratic machine. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. they brought out the drumline just there time for our conversation. i hope you can hear me. this is part of the biden campaign trying to put on a show of force as they are courting a critical constituency in a critical battleground state. you mentioned what we saw in the polls four years ago, president biden won 87% of the black vote significantly, a significant percentage here in philadelphia as well. the most recent nbc poll shows that only 7

let's discuss with jeremy peters, and peter baker. thanks for being here.er, where do you see this taking us in terms of what trump's strategy is here, where he is going this weekend, and how he has been spending his time outside the courtroom? >> new jersey is convenient for him. he has a home there. it's not a swing state. it's not about new jersey. it's about getting supporters riled up. his words at these rallies are communicated beyond the confines of whatever arena he is in. he is speaking to his supporters regardless of what state he happens to be in. it's telling he is not in wisconsin or michigan or pennsylvania at this point. that's where you will see -- you have seen a lot of president biden in those states, recognizing the singular importance to the fall election. broadly speaking, i think the trial so far, polls don't suggest it had much of an impact. a lot the voters factored it in, baked it into the cake. they assume he has done things wrong with women. that's been a career-long, lifelong motif going back to his tabloid days in new york. the

joining us now, "new york times" reporter jeremy peters.l watching this, we're getting incredible reporting from inside the courtroom. we have world-class lawyers breaking it down for us. what -- if you are -- if you are not watching out and say, watching another outlet, friendlier to donald trump -- >> by ashamed of yourselves. >> -- what are you getting, jeremy, if you're watching something else quality. >> well, all across conservative media, the facts of this case are being presented very, very differently. they're actually often an entirely different set of facts, different chunks of testimony, different moves by the judge. and what those all point toward is a seeming acquittal of donald trump. because in the conservative media, you know, on fox news, you know, what you're hearing is that this case is falling apart and that the prosecutors have not done their job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that trump paid this money to for political purposes to help him in the 2016 election. what he's hearing is that he's likely to get off. and

the reporting that sort of helped put this in perspective, jeremy peters wrote a piece yesterday afterlot of protesters. there are -- we all have in our lives, we're concerned about gaza, people we know are concerned about gaza. it is very sincere and tragic. but what he identified was that these people had -- you know, they were upset how indigenous people were treated, climate change. it was kind of this, you know, sort of new world clash of ideologies that they were expressing there. that won't be limited to this issue, right? even if -- this is what i'm thinking about, like how does this affect the election, where does this go to? even if the gaza conflict is resolved, you are likely to see, you know, this, moving on to the next issue, which is sort of also your point. they will -- but the thing that i'm processing, where does this go, how does this affect young people writ large, i don't see young people writ large getting behind that kind of agenda. it's not going to -- >> i hope you're right. >> it is not going to resonate in their lives the way concerns about inflation, economy

your screen, jeremy clarkson? i'm sorry, petergetting this one. >> are you not? no >> are you not? no >> this is another reason for an old wrinkly like me to be deeply joyous. hope springs eternal . joyous. hope springs eternal. he's grey haired, he's balding. he's grey haired, he's balding. he's got a bit of a pot belly. he's got a bit of a pot belly. he's quite tall, you know, i reckon i might be in for shower. >> as long as only hope springs. eternal love. what do you make of this one? >> yeah, i agree with you. the a lot of guys watching this will really be a bit befuddled as to how he's the sexiest guy. i think it's a sympathy vote. >> no, i get it, i understand it. >> he's got a sense of humour. yeah and he's got plenty of money. >> what's what's his to understand? how is he the sexiest man? >> i'll tell you why. because he's a and i say this as a bloke. he's a man's man. he gets stuck in. he's involved. he's practical. he's physical, does that make him sexy, though? he's got money. i think men these days, if you ask me to e

peter, welcome to the show. always a delight to especially on a friday. can i ask you about jeremy corbyn?into jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn has announced dramatically he's going to stand as an independent. and finally, sir keir starmer has booted him out. the labour party. >> yeah, i mean i have to say that in my judgement, martin, in the scheme of things , whether the scheme of things, whether jeremy corbyn stands or not, whether he wins or not is a bit of a detail when you place it against the overwhelming evidence from all the opinion polls, which is the fact that it's going to be an absolute shoo in for the labour party. >> so if he loses one here or there, whatevs. i mean , there, whatevs. i mean, interesting point of this is with scotland has come into the fore. it's interesting to note that that that in 2015, scotland ceased to be a labour heartland and the, the snp swept the board. now the latest opinion polls suggest that's now on its head. and the labour party stands to gain perhaps as many as 40 more seats in scotland. also there's quite interesting about the red wall, the 45 se

peter cox. yeah. we don't speak. it's like we're like jeremy and his brother .re like jeremy and his brother. you fell out over climate. >> although, you know, in south of brazil, they're having this huge rain problems now. and puerto olaguer, this gorgeous city, we've been to a major metropolitan area. there's alligators because the water is four feet high and it won't go down. alligators floating past domestic buildings. and it's a complete disaster. the amazon's a mess. so when you see things like that, you see what's going on in rivers in china and vietnam and the delta, i don't know. >> okay. well, thank you for providing balance because it was getting all a bit duniry there. >> so we're gonna lose our license. >> exactly. we'll lose our license. so i don't believe anything i just said. no. but anything ijust said. no. but the problem is, you know, every time i see expert now, i just don't inherently don't trust it. they're kind of like the boy who cried covid. i don't trust experts anymore. but let's do the times. and former england cricket player monty pa

jeremy corbyn? >> i've never really liked him because i don't. he's i mean, peter says he's on the left.sort of he's a he's a city liberal and i don't really think he believes in very much that he says, you know, now he supports hs2. in 2015 he opposed hs2. i don't think he believes him very much. and i think sadly, we don't have many people in british politics who believe in these are superstructure icing on the cake issues. >> his his fundamental direction as a person has been since he was in his late 20s, making his way in the legal profession has been as a man of the of the very dogmatic left, the red green pabloite left, which he which he served a very loyally , and the served a very loyally, and the and that is where he is. served a very loyally, and the and that is where he is . and and that is where he is. and he's said publicly in his famous interview with the new statesman that he has not he's not broken with those positions, and he's still very much the person he was then. i think this has to be understood. i this is a this is a new blair government in the making . we're going

correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker, and here in the studio, two former manhattan assistant d.a.s, catherine christian and msnbc legal analyst and jeremy saland, criminal defense attorney. >> the jury went from cross-examination and redirect of stormy daniels, the key figure in the case, not legally but sort of dramatically, theatrically to an assistant bookkeeper, a young woman who worked in a supermarket before she was hired by the trump organization, and then found herself sending checks, blank checks by fedex to have 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> and in many ways she's a more important witness than ms. daniels was because this is a falsifying business records case. and if the prosecution has this jury and the jury room debating about whether or not donald trump had sex with that woman, that's a problem. they need to be focused in on did he know what michael cohen was doing. was michael cohen rogue. did he know what cohen and weisselberg were up to. that's what they should be focusing in, not the hotel room. what happened at the trump organization and what happened at trump tower that david pecker talked about. >> maybe that's what t

lot of our viewers might think hang on a minute, it has been peter mandelson's seat and labour for as long as you can remember until the jeremywas happening nationally, - on? locally it reflected really what was happening nationally, as - on? locally it reflected really what was happening nationally, as far. on? locally it reflected really what| was happening nationally, as far as the labour party was concerned. we had quite a difficult time in hartlepool going back a few years, where we actually dropped to six councillors in the labour party in the labour group and we have risen up the labour group and we have risen up over the years bit by bit and got back to actually, i think, making people realise we are to be trusted and we can do thejob people realise we are to be trusted and we can do the job that we are now going to be doing.— and we can do the job that we are now going to be doing. from this, do ou think now going to be doing. from this, do you think you — now going to be doing. from this, do you think you will— now going to be doing. from this, do you think you will be _ now going to be doing. from this, do you thin

jeremy hunt is the neighbouring constituency in surrey and on the other side michael gove in surrey heath. they will be looking closely at labour's progress here.- at labour's progress here. peterra. votes are being counted in the local elections in parts of england in the last major test of public opinion before the general election. labour have said they hope the results will signify "real progress", and have retained control of sunderland council in the first result declared. the conservatives have acknowledged they're expecting a "difficult evening". the outcome of the by—election in blackpool south is expected overnight and results from around a third of the councils involved. here's our political correspondent, damian grammaticus up upforgrabs in up for grabs in these elections, 2500 council seats, 11 mayoraljobs and here in blackpool south one westminster seat. some of the consequential battles tonight. labour hope they can take it off the conservatives. the labour hope they can take it off the conservatives.— conservatives. the first result we will look for _ conservatives. the first result we will look for is _ conservatives. the first result we will look for is the _