>> i think absolutely that jeremy schwab is living the life that he has chosen, and that is a life of celibacy until he find the woman that he absolutely want to be a partner for life. >> fair point, and let's assume that he's living the life that he wants to lead. but do you think he's gay? >> absolutely not, any more than i think is a former drug addict who has a desire for the rest of his life to do drugs, would no longer consider himself a drug addict because he is sustaining from the use of illegal drugs. and i think that our psyche is made that way. they want to go in a direction to know that in our heart of hearts is not a direction for help. there's peer review showing some will work, is there anything that shows that it works? >> i don't know the answer to that. i know lente of people that left -- plenty of people that left the lifestyle behind and the book i read, the bible says that there were some of you that were homosexuals or sinners in other way, that they chose to turn from that, and chose salvation outside of themselves. >> the bible says we should stone people that