jeremy schwartz joins us now to discuss that. and you make the point, jeremy, first of all, welcome. there are really two different types of dividend stocks. investors have to know the difference between the two. >> thanks for having me. certainly there is -- i call it the two baskets of stocks. one is there is a ones that are slower growing, high yielding, utility stocks. there is what you call bond proxies when interest rates go up. they face more pressure. more competition from higher interest rates. you have stocks that can grow dividends faster over time. there are smaller current yields. i think that is really where i think valuation becomes everyone looking for yield, users still historically low. i think the valuations are actually more attractive today on the stocks that can grow dividends faster over time. >> so not the sort of bond proxy that's you might find in telecom maybe energy, maybe utilities, correct? >>> yes. everybody is flocking to the stocks. i think the dividend growth stocks, maybe technology stocks, healt