now they're the jacksons, they're away from motown, they're still working together-- the brothers, and... a slightly different lineup because jermaine had left and stayed at motown. and so i met him as an 18-year-old at our home in san francisco for a tv show. we decided to have a different location than the usual backstage or hotel room. and so they all emerged out of a long stretch limo on buchanan street in japantown in san francisco, and popped into our apartment-- dianne and mine-- and sat there for an interview for television. michael was extremely shy, a little awkward. i mean, he was kind of tall and gangly, wore a black sweater, white shirt, big afro, and... but whenever he sat down or when it was his turn to talk, he would talk quite earnestly and quite articulately-- unlike me-- and... >> hinojosa: ( laughing ) >> ...and said some very interesting things. >> hinojosa: you're doing good, you're doing good. but let me ask you this. you know, there is a sense that these rock stars are, you know-- we all know this, they're larger than life. you know, they end up on magazine covers, huge concerts... you're with them in their m