jermaine wiggins is with us. we're also joined by our rachel nichols who watched that news conference along with me. mr. wiggins, let me ask you, one thing that bill belichick said is he had no idea about how these football inflation rules worked no idea until he woke up on monday morning. you played for coach bill belichick. is it really something like that you could not know? this guy is one of the most detail-oriented coaches in sports. >> i think when you look at the number of inflations the 12.5 to 13.5 i think he might have had a little bit of an idea. as a player who played a long time i caught a bunch of footballs, i didn't know about the rule. i didn't know there was a certain limit. i think when you stop to look at this whole deflate-gate i think it's getting funny. bill belichick came out and said he doesnd understand doesn't know what's going on. to me he's saying hey, this is something bigger than what we think here in new england. we don't know about this. we have no understanding. i'm one to put my

i want to bring in jermaine wiggins along with business analyst andrew brandt. jermaine first let's get your initial reaction to everything that has happened today. >> you know what it's funny to me to hear a lot of this stuff. to me i look at it like this. there's no advantage by using a smaller football. then for rachel to come out and say that you know this is something that they have done in the past so it took -- tom brady has 143 career interceptions. what about the 142 interceptions? nobody said anything. nobody noticed anything. when they felt the football. i look at it like this. every team doctors the football. every quarterback doctors the football. they mess around with it they get it to their feel they want it to feel comfortable in their hand. it doesn't give a team an advantage. i have caught footballs that were hard i caught footballs that were soft. to me it's all about the quarterback's preference and that's the biggest thing here. this is a joke and it's the new england patriots it all goes back to spygate, back to the way bell belichick's pers

and former patriot tight end and boston radio host jermaine wiggins, who knows brady very well. as a tight end you'll remember he caught a key brady pass in brady's fist super bowl win. mike let me begin with you. to the uninitiated, i'm holding one that's infacilitated at 13.5 and another that's under at 10.5. it's very hard to tell the difference. here at cnn we've been passing the footballs and asking people in a blind test can you tell which one is within the reg? is this a big deal? >> well, be careful when you pass the footballs. come on now, there's a lot of expensive equipment there. i do think it is a big deal because really, you know, it's about the integrity of the game. look, it's not a player safety football-type act that you may get disciplined for, but this is the integrity of the game and while everybody has said the same thing, that two pounds of pressure is hard to recognize, you know the fact is two pounds maybe to a quarterback does have an effect and certainly the aspect of it may be in cold weather. >> how about the officials? >> i think from that standpoin

we also have former patriot tight end jermaine wiggins, now an nfl analyst and radio host., i want to start with you. you are also a lawyer among other many things. you have said that the nfl does need to punish the patriots. my question to you is what if they don't ever find any proof as to who took the air out of the footballs if someone did? what if they can't find that smoking gun? is underinflated the same thing as deflated? >> i think they'll have to hand out some kind of punishment because the league wants to be consistent. they want to be measured. they're going to have to do something. i think if you look at the precedent of bounty gate with the new orleans saints -- these are two different things. a lot of people are comparing what the saints did with bounty gate where players were offered cash to hurt other players, that's morally repugnant. this really isn't. this is a different animal. this reminds me of some of the things i would see people do. they would spray silicone on jerseys to people couldn't grab them and use cleats that are longer than normal. everyon

and former tight end now boston radio host jermaine wiggins who knows brady well as a tight end he caught key brady pass in brady's first super bowl win. mike to the uninitiated you know i'm holding now one that is inflated at 13.5 p srkssi and another under. it's hard to tell the difference. we've been passing the footballs and asking people in a blind test can you tell which one is within the reg. is this a big deal? >> be careful when you pass the football. come on now. there's a lot of exspen stiff equipment there. i do think it is -- i think it's a big deal because really you know it's about the integrity of the game. look it's not a player safety football type act that you may get disciplined for. but this is the integrity of the game. and while everybody has said the same thing that 2 pounds of pressure is hard to recognize, the fact is 2 pounds to a quarterback does have an effect. certainly the aspect may be of it in cold weather. i do think -- >> how about the officials? lou about the officials who -- >> never know. >> why wouldn't the officials have a trained touch that they co