because jerome holesman, historian of major league baseball. >> great his attorney. >> -- historian. died he said you were the greatest baseball commissioner ever had. if that's true, beyond the things i mentioned, what ought to be part of that achievement. if he's right why is he right? >> well, i'll let other historians -- >> rose: make the case for jerome holesman judgment. >> economic referration of the game which has led to this open faith we talked about which had enormous consequences. labor peace for 21 years. charlie we had a work stoppage every two or three years. >> rose: m÷ well the world series. >> well i know. so i'm proud of that because nobody ever thought that possible. we've made, i mean the whole wild card thing. remember, baseball was very resistent to change. social institutions are generally -- >> rose: was that because of the owners? >> everybody. baseball people, owners, everybody. listen when i owned the team, we talked about new things. we've never done it that way you can't do that. all parties, players owners commissioners in some cases. but, look at the c