jerome schneider drank the kool-aid out at pennsylvania and nyu stern.r fixed manager. congratulations. do they call you up like the nobel prize and wake you up at 3:00 in the morning? jerome: we get up at 3:00 in the morning anyway. early mornings are no surprise. we didn't get the call about halfway through our day, but we are obviously very excited. tom: 90 basis points, which in your game is a huge amount of money. i want to get into a serious is this with you and david rosenberg about where is the rate?e-rate? -- risk-free do you know where it is right now? guest: there are two components. policy at the bottom ends, currently 25 basis points. most importantly, though, key bills are really the risk the rate at this time as people look for shelter. they yield less than 20 basis points or so at this current point in time here for that purpose, it is still a risk-free rate. tom: are your yields on official because of the close of money now or expected to come in from abroad from negative interest rates? rates will beend structural, and that is important