because jerome smith and what jerome felt, trk imploded. >> yeah.nd he thought thatthers of us in the room in the mr. jerome smith's attack would be defensive of him, would come to his defense and we didn't. and he thought that that was a breach of iendship. d he threw usut -- he didn't throw us out. we left his home. after that, he called. and he had reflected on the experience. and what dr. king had instructed us to do for me was touched the most sensitive moment in our capacity to win him over. he called and said, i think i may have bee wng on what jerome smith said because it was on the issue of vietnam. jer rope said that we're asking him to go off and die for this country when his exact words were, i have nothing against reet na espeople. i think it's a war that's unrighteous, it's unworthy. bobby called, went back to him and he said, let's talk. in that conversation that we had, i told him look, you have come from a place where you're so uninformed tha unless those of us who have the challenge by dr. king winning to a moral center, find your

he tried to pivot away from jerome smith to the respectable knee grows-negroes.lorraine, it hansberry doucette, mr. attorney general, they're fair number of prominent people in this room but the only man you should be listening to is over there, pointing right back to jerome smith. therefore, even though he was angry, bobby kennedy said that we have got to find a way to work together. he said, look, i know you are in despair. but i'm an irish person and two generations inwe have a president he united states of america -- speaking about his brother jack kennedy. to which baldwin responded, is the problem. we have been here for five and six generations and there's nothing to show forr it in terms of political advance. then it went downhill forr thei. for three hours, iv kennedy was virtually nailed to his chair, seeping silently gives the vicious s and little expressions from honest emotions. the reason i want to begin with this meeting is it is rid of why people have to listen to the agony, rage and pain of black people. don't say, don't speak back, don't type of,

the young man, jerome smith, said't dworry about it the voice of rage. me who'sned about willing to take up a gun because i'm tired of o athis. he tried to pivot away, robert kennedy, to the responsible they saidle, but wit the only person you need to listen to it got nasty and bitter. kennedy was angry. at the end of theeeting he went back to his office and sicced the fbi to the people who were there. he eventually said if i were black, i would be angry too, maybe i should calm down and talk about race as a ml issue the way they wanted me to and it .hanged his whole li by the time he died he became as the most trusted whan in america for black people. >> that brought out the tension between the policy making and the moral center and how it evolved about race relations. and that conversationt is over. where does that conversation stand today? >> when hillary clinton met up with black lives matter people and they said how has your heart changed aboutbl p policy? if you have no policy that changes we'll be here0 ears from now talking about the same thing.