they're the ones that stick all the sales tax. >> host: jerry cerasale, is unreasonable to ask sales payers to collect all these taxes? >> guest: well, the supreme court says yes. it's a burden on interstate commerce because it is so complicated. and estella so complicated. there are 7500 tax in the united states. by what many before scott's group started in there that many now. and what is taxable and is defined as taxation has all changed. and the point is that these are out-of-state. it's not all internet sales and are not collected for her. it is from a company that has no precedence within the state. so they have no employees, no facilities in that state. they have no political power in the state. they get none of the benefit from any of the schools, fire, police. yet they are being asked to become unpaid tax collect collectors. and we think that it's not fair. we think that puts a burden on them, an unfair burden on them. the taxes due in the states do everything to collect taxes from internet and from catalog sales as well, for remote sales is probably a better way to say it.

our guests are scott peterson of the streamlined sales tax association and jerry cerasale of the direct marketing association. grant gross of idg news service is our guest reporter. mr. peterson, the state of texas recently sent amazon a bill. what was that about? >> guest: it's about a fulfillment center that amazon has or an affiliate of amazon owns in the state of texas. and generally, it gets down to the physical presence test that the supreme court created. if you have a physical presence in the state, you have an obligation to collect sales tax. we have spent the last 40 years trying to figure out what physical presence means, and we've been to court a thousand times, i suppose, trying to figure that out. what, as i understand it and i have not talked to either texas or amazon, but as i understand it they have a distribution facility or they have an affiliate that has a distribution facility in texas that texas now believes creates a physical presence for amazon this that now -- because they have that presence there, amazon has an obligation to collect sales tax. and not, as i und

scott peterson is with the streamline sales tax governing board, jerry cerasale, direct marketing association, and grant gross with the idg news service which serves pc world, computer world, info world, net work world and cio magazines as well as 300 other technology-related magazines and 400 web sites worldwide. thank you, gentlemen, for being on "the communicators." >> guest: thank you. >> guest: thank you for having us. >> if you missed any of this discussion on how internet companies are collecting sales taxes, you can see it again tonight in prime time. "the communicators" airs each monday night at 8 p.m. eastern, 5 pacific here on c-span2. >> coming up next, former government officials discuss the wikileaks release of classified state department documents and its impact on u.s. diplomacy. >> every weekend on c-span3 experie american history tv starting saturday at 8 a.m. eastern. 48 hours of people and events telling the american story. hear historic speeches by national leaders and eyewitness accounts of events that shaped our nation. visit museums, historical sites, college campuses

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the internet sales tax with scott peterson of the streamlined sales tax governing board, and jerry cerasale the direct marketing association. that is at 8:00 eastern on c- span2. >> today on the floor, the senate continues debate on the start treaty. a number of amendments are pending. any changes to the measure could send the treaty after negotiations with russia. you can see that debate live on c-span2. house return for legislative work they are waiting for the senate to act on temporary control spending a deal being considered now would increase spending more than $1 billion over the next four months. those agencies would see no increase. most the additional funds would go to veterans programs and low- income heating assistance. also, continuing science education programs. last week, congress passed a tax cut bill, and president obama cited this morning, "washington journal" looked into the provisions. we will leave this discussion at 1:00 eastern for a panel discussion on the new health- care law. ellis, vice president of taxpayers for common sense, welcome. guest: thanks for having me.