routine contact with major famous pastors, shaking hands with pat robertson once or twice and maybe jerry falwellbut no, that wasn't his world. >> host: was he a signer of petitions? >> guest: very little. he did sign one endorsing nixon for reelection and 72 that was circulated among professors and he was teaching at a time at nyu business school, and that caused -- i remember being at harvard as an undergraduate and people were outraged that i was even related to someone supporting nixon for reelection, and i myself was supporting come as an 18-year-old that was my first election i probably voted for nixon for reelection. this was at harvard. i think we did a poll, the harvard student body, it was like 91% for mcgovern, 5% for cleaver, black panther, and 3% for nixon and i was one of that, that lucky three, 4%. >> host: that's a wise move. [laughter] okay, well, we are up with the hour so the neoconservative persuasion collected essays from 2000 to 2004 from irving kristol. and we are talking with bill kristol. >> guest: thank you, david. ..