remind you jerry falwell and pat robertson said after 9/11.it is exactly the same thing to read and williams called himself a diligent and constant observer of evidence coming back to begin. he did almost a quantity of analysis to the eddy looked at history and was a sophisticated man in addition to cook his uncle had been the mayor of london and his brother was an international trader and went literally all over the world. they then decided the world into roughly 30 places, 30 sections caminhas he pointed out, 25 of them had never heard the word of god of christ. anyway, he said looking at all the evidence, the success be the measure that the reason and experience proved calamity and success are to all and no argument of god's love or hate. therefore he concluded a christian magistrate and a former official was no more and no better a magistrate than one devotee of her conscience or religion. try saying that today in south carolina and getting a vote. [laughter] that brings us back to the present. alza said the constitution he merged off from

. >> and so was jerry falwell and pat robertson. >> can i jump in, please, your 4% number, what percent4%-- please, probably closer to 40. >> i cited a source. >> name that source. >> let's move on. >> a source-- >> and let me tell you yesterday i saw the story and i was going to bring it to "the five" and maybe i better not because newt's called president obama the food stamp president, and a lot of attack for being racist to say it pt now the reverend jesse jackson says he is the food stamp president so let's have the discussion. what discussion? president obama is the food stamp president, food stamp usage has gone from 40 to 46 million americans to 60 to 85 billion under president obama. not only the food stamp president the redistribution president. >> and proudly he so. if you once would cite a source to say 4%, give 40%. >> usda.gov and see it in plain numbers. >> can i point out that jesse jackson is right to be happy about this, if religion is your government, then food stamps is your sacrament. it makes sense. he should be proud. >> what is wrong with food stamps feeding peopl

and because of jerry falwell, a lot of that was driven away. >> i thought that in the head-to-head matchups, obama is beating all the republicans. >> there has definitely been a move in the last six months. there's definitely been a move up to about parity. that's dependent upon a couple thichk things. first, the opposition has been making fools out of themselves. second, the economy. if you look at projections for next year from the cbo, that's not expected to continue. who knows if they know what they're talking about. but unemployment will shoot back up in the higher 8s or even 9. i think obama would be foolish given what's happening in iran or europe or greece, to assume he can coast on the rising economy. i don't think the campaign really expects that either. >> before we go, since we have you, david, i want to ask you about russia. it feels like -- it seemed as though there was no question that putin was assured victory, that things were going to go smoothly, that there was a few interesting dissents here and there. but you're hearing more and more of them. is there anything going on

some ways -- >> there used to be a lot of anti-catholic prejudice and in part because people like jerry falwell, to be honest. a lot of that was driven away. >> do you agree with something peggy said earlier was that obama's numbers are not moving up. i thought that in the head-to-head match-ups, he is now in places like ohio beating all the republicans. >> there has definitely been a move in the last six months. there's definitely been a move up to about parody. that's depending on a couple of things. first, the oppositions are making fools out of themselves. secondly, the economy has been churning up. if you look at the project ebbings for next year from cbo which takes an aing gat, that's not expected to continue. there's expected -- who knows if they know what they're talking about. unemployment will shoot back up in the higher 8s or 9 maybe. i think obama would be foolish given what's happening in iran or in greece and europe to assume that he can just coast on a rising economy, and i don't think the campaign really expects that either. >> before we go, since we have you david, i want to a

dobson, jerry falwell and others. i was involved in this movement, as i talk about in my book "sex, mom and god." as i said earlier, some of us have got out of t so these folks who are asking me to come speak on this theocracy or democracy tour are asking me to come set the record straight. you can't payment with too broad a brush here there are a lot of evangelicals are moderate,ing or nigds the wild goose fest fal. i'm not a pessimist. i think rick santorum and the republicans have burnt off more than they can chew and they have lied about president obama through the tea party. he is not born in america, he is a communist, blah, blah, blah, now like about him being anti-religious because he wants women could have contraceptive cover with insurance. >> ton lie, frank. let me go quickly back to you, chairman, show you this very quickly, the response. newt gingrich even said the president is dangerous to our national security. now, i thought the president was the one that went and got bin laden and other things. listen

one of them was billy sunday, the first jerry falwell figure. the model for the great novel and movie elmer gantry. i wanted to look at him to examine the role of religion in american public life. just doing my due diligence of research i started going back and back and back and i ended up at the beginning of the argument over church and state in this country and that argument has not changed at all in almost 400 years. we need to understand that the first amendment of the constitution and the constitution itself didn't come from fear. it didn't come from the imagination of the writers of that amendment. it came as a specific responses to specific historical events. and this is the history from which the constitution came and as we know the argument has continued. the argument began with john winthrop who was governor of massachusetts and roger williams but it involved all english constitutional history and all of our constitutional history. when for -- john winthrop gave what the new york times called greatest sermon in 1,000 years and it has b

we often associate born again christians with white preachers like jerry falwell or pat robertson or know, white nfl player, but christianity is goi into the global south it is heading south into asia and east into asia and south into africa and so we have sort of an image here of christianity -- the future of crist yant, both in the world and the united states. >> all right. and i think when you look at the tape over and over again, i think a lot of people can appreciate that kind of serenity, the sense of calment that jeremy lin seems to have, even under pressure with those few tenths of a second left in the last play from last night. thanks so much and of course, you at home, you can read all of steven's piece on lynn sanity versus tebow mania on the cnn belief blog, go to cnn.com/belief. [ female announcer ] introducing coffee-mate natural bliss. ♪ made with only milk... cream... a touch of sugar... and pure natural flavors. ♪ who knew being natural could be so delicious? coffee-mate natural bliss. from nestle. add your flavor naturally. >>> here is what we are following later in