i happened to be in lynchberg and some professor pointed me toward jerry falwell's church. i'm a new yorker and episcopalian background and i never, to my knowledge, ever met a fundamentalist before, so i thought i better go. >> rose: yes. i was fascinated, and, at that very moment, jerry falwell was mounting the moral majority to go into electoral politics. >> rose: right. then later he formed liberty college. >> he was already starting a college that became liberty university, i in the end. so i wrote quite a long piece for the new yorker at the time about not just falwell but about his community and what it was like to be a fundamentalist and why people became one. so i then dropped the subject for some period of time and tack it up againo -- and took it up again occasionally. i wrote quite a bit about it for the new yorker during the last phase of the w. bush administration. >> rose: yes. so i began to think that i better wrap this up, and i thought to myself, you know, it's really impossible to understand the christian right or, indeed, the progressive evangelicals tha

frances: jerry falwell and reagan made this sort of pact.s solidified by those two and it never changed after that. and of course, the south went republican at that time. it was a lot of people and a lot of evangelicals. charlie: let me review before we close here. they are very much antiabortion. frances: yes. charlie: what are the fundamental issues that mean the most to them in the cultural arena and in the sort of social issue arena? frances: there is no them anymore. abortion is probably dealmaking which unites evangelicals at the moment. certainly not gay rights. the younger generation has grown up with gay friends and acquaintances. they are not bothered by that. they tend to be much more tolerant about other people's religions. it is very difficult to describe evangelicals as a whole at the moment. charlie: who are the evangelical leaders today? frances: that is a good question. i'm not sure there are any, certainly not of the stature of falwell -- charlie: his son endorsed president trump. billy graham's son endorsed donald trump. t

joining me from liberty university, jerry falwell, jr.ou were one of the first prominent evangelicals to support donald trump. you supported him through thick and thin it looks like the first from an evangelicals' points of view has been a slam dunk. >> i think evangelicals found their dream president. judge jeanine: ways the president's accomplishments that put evangelicals almost double in terms of american support. >> reuniting israel with america after 8 years of them being appointed badly. appointing neil gorsuch to the spreem supreme court and appointing people of faith to his cabinet. christians being murdered in the middle east will stop. all those things are things evangelicals love. but they didn't just vote on social issues because republican establishment lied to them about those issues. they were concerned about the borders, about bringing jobs back. i think they are just as thrilled about those things as going after sanctuary cities. i think those things. but i will tell you what evangelicals are not happy about is the moder

the story noting jerry falwell christian leader and president of liberty university aid concern are overblown saying repeal account be fairfully crafted, churches and tax-exempt organizations permitted to spend small percentage of funds to support candidates. we are asking should churches endorse a candidate? be allowed to get involved in political activity necessary to george jacksonville, florida, good morning. caller: good morning. i am actual ly don't agree with so the comments that i heard far. the idea of separation of church state must be to include of mosques and and synagogues and state f. we just finance christian and other religions to be to , i have been listening in the mosques nd the rabbi preaching in the synagogue, the emom is always very political and the same as the rabbi talking and support of israel and whatever. host: let me clarify, the talking mendment we're about being repealed here applies to all tax-exempt groups, not just hurches, masks and synagogues, which the i.r.s. bars from endorsing candidates and getting involved in political campaigns because churches fall u

like jerry falwell so talk about the birth of the christian right with its trajectory. >> it was preceded by the upsurge of fundamentalism in the south. when it was the first of surgeon the south and evangelical belief. so they find themselves under attack. and then to find themselves under attack. what is different from billy graham in this case? trying to make a movement but gramm never did and was content. it came up from the grass roots really you cannot credit them without having totally novel ideas there were all kinds of things that preceded it like a terrible textbook from west virginia with the conservative is and in southern california all kinds of things gathered and then issues began to appear having to do that the novelties of the 1960's. with the feminism to protest against the war with the lemon dressing and those wearing their hair long. all came at once and then added to by the supreme court from the 1940's with those various religious groups with the non religious people. but the real reaction came in 1980 as opposed to the '60s. with the help of the new right operatives

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