jerry falwell jr. said the same thing at the republican national convention. blue collar in this instance has nothing to do with wealth, but with cultural identity. and donald trump was very, very good at using -- at least in the campaign. his policies have not really followed through on that but the way he talks about -- he talked about coal mining. he has the very famous picture of him in the truck outside of the white house. when he talks about jobs, he's talking about manufacturing jobs. he's talking about blue collar work. jobs that don't exist the way they used to but that's the sort of mindset he has and people hear it and respond to it. host: generally speaking and i know it's a monolithic group, but the white working class voter, if you look at the voting trends, went for lyndon johnson in 1964, richard nixon in 1972, went for reagan in 1980 and 1984, the so-called reagan democrats, then back to clinton in 1992, barack obama in 2008 and generally speaking donald trump in 2016. is that correct? timothy: for the most part. one of the things to really un