joining us with a reported liberty president himself jerry falwell jr. so, they wrote all these headlines, not one kid got covid-19. they apparently -- you had no trespassing signs, they came from an actual hot spot to a place that wasn't a hot spot, and they didn't give you an opportunity to respond? >> not only -- no, they didn't. not only are they a bigoted of liars, and also, buzzfeed-type clickbait publication now, they are also stupid, because they came on campus, we had 25, at least, no trespassing signs everywhere, and they were dumb enough to take pictures of the signs and publish them, so we've got warrants out for their arrest, and they had to cut a deal with a local prosecutor to keep from going to jail. that is how dumb they are, and they got their information -- they were here for a few days, i think -- they got their information from a doctor who has a practice 10 miles away from liberty, who had seen a few liberty kids who had a cold, upper respiratory problems, nothing like covid symptoms, and they told him that, he told the reporters to

blasting christian saying they have a reputation for hate these days thanks to franklin graham and jerry falwell now at this should be condemned by the media and as you pointed out of this was a bad at islam someone weighing in on the reputation of islam based on the actions of one or 2 men whether you agree with them or disagree with them they wouldn't get away with it bill they would know what really bothers me is that falwell june is a good man know what it's all about franklin graham all right guy comes into new york and he sets up the hospitals it turns the interior doctors hundreds of them in new york city to hell because of coping and what is the mayor of new york city do he tells them i want you out of here because i don't agree with your idea of marriage between a man and a woman and we're going to watch you very very carefully this is the summer of hate and it was you know is one of the cultural elites but he's not alone. at absolutely and these attacks on churches the religious statues are widespread a look at that and that statue you view you know you see this you don't see it covere

in a separate article jerry falwell jr. creating his own personal viral hot spot in reality, the truth at the time, zero on-campus students were diagnosed with covid-19. not a single one. not 12, not 11, not ten, not one peered zero. the same paper -- remember they are the ones who infamously accused yours truly of killing grandma and grandpa when we are way ahead of them, especially, and the rest of the mob and warning people about the virus and asymptomatic people that would spread the virus and supporting the travel ban after the first known case of corona. let's look at their track record. if they are the ones who says who says it's not safe to travel to china. they say it's unjust and doesn't work. i wonder how many people took that her advice and what might've happened when they did. don't forget, the same paper words criticized by its top editor for making horrible mistakes left and right, and of course this lawsuit comes at a troubling time for that paper peered at new york times now reeling after getting clobbered

don't have o much of a reputation for anything but hate these days, thanks to franklin graham and jerry falwellmped friends. it. author of the book if you can keep it, the forgotten promise of american liberty and also it may be the single best biography of martin luther. joins us tonight. here you have the former head of the dnc attacking christianity as a religion of hate and its disciples as haters. imagine howard dean saying thato about any other religion, what with the response be do you think? >> you've got to give howard dean a pass. as a jughead, you cannot take them seriously. here's the issue, when you start the scapegoat christians and they say it's because of them that these things are happening, unfortunately you fall into the trap of being like the emperor nero when rome burned and of course he could have done something about it and he blamed the christians. i think a lot of the nastiness that is being directed at the statues, it really has to do with something deeper. i hate to say it, but there's something very dark. saw this in thee french revolution. there was a hatred at theh

thanks to franklin graham and jerry falwell another trump friends." eric metaxas is a question. author of the book "if you can keep it: the forgotten book of american liberty." thank you for coming on. you have the former head of the dnc attacking christianity as a religion of hate and its disciples as haters. imagine howard dean saying that about any other religion. what would the response. do you think? >> listen, you've got to give howard dean a pass. he is a jughead. you can't take him seriously. here's the issue. when you start to scapegoat christians and you say it's because of them that these things are happening, unfortunately you fall into the trap of being like the emperor nero when rome burned and of course he could have done something about it and he didn't. he blamed the christians. it's very convenient. it's happening now. i think a lot of the nastiness that is being directed at these statues, they really has to do with something deeper, tucker. i hate to say it but there is something very dark. you saw this in the french revolution. there was a hatred at the botto

conservative liberty university led by jerry falwell, jr., you just saw him there, they hit the papertion suit, hitting "the new york times" with a libel suit. "the new york times" alleging basically that the liberty university allowed students infected with the coronavirus to come back on the campus, to come back to the university. now "the times" denies it. "the times" did respond to our query about it. we'll show you what "the times" said about it in just a second. liberty university said "the new york times" did not call to the school physician, misrepresented a doctor cited in its own story. talk about it with republican strategist ford o'connell. great to have you back on. liberty university is alleging, rather, saying no student, staff, or faculty member has been diagnosed with covid-19 and, they're saying they, asked for the story to be retracted. "new york times" saying no. your reaction? >> well, look i think liberty about university is absolutely right. they need to hold "the new york times" accountable for this type of hit-and-run journalism. i really hope they see this al

during donald's announcement speech would be a deal breaker but we were disabused of that idea when jerry falwell white evangelicals started endorsing him. maryanne was incensed. what the f is wrong with them, she said? the only time donald went to church was when the cameras are there. it's mind-boggling. he has no principles, none. so that conversation between you and your aunt, this is in 2015. this is at the time that he's running, and you've talked about the fact that you didn't think it would make a difference for you to speak out at that time that it was running. but i wonder if you, inside your family either with maryanne or other members of your family ever talked together about what you saw as his unfitness for that office, what it might do to the country if he was elected. >> no. we didn't. but i think we all -- or those of us who shared those opinions were at a distinction disadvantage because as members of the family and as lifelong new yorkers, we had a completely different perspective on donald and his perceived success than people outside of the family and outside of new york did,

as jerry falwell junior said we are not picking a pastor in chief here.yrus which is even more popular on the evangelical side, he was the king who let the jews out of babylonian captivity as he was king of the persians. he brought about the jews being freed. and from that point of view, what trump represents is god's deliverance of someone who is not of us. but can deliver us. >> host: got it. >> guest: it seems as though it was almost inevitable or necessary in order to maintain or come to terms with this extraordinary amount of dissidents that the bible turned out to be the answer. >> host: okay, let me now having more or less tried to cover the territory, the rangers who is part of the following or connected to the following in these times. you have studied italian fascism in particular as well as german fascism. how close, as you see what's going on here in america now, do you think we are to a german or italian experience? or how far from it are we? are we hedging closer and closer were our are we still a long ways away? >> guest: a couple of things

jerry falwell introduced me and said his zip code his name is doctor tate and is a methodist congregationalistrsion and gets it right. he will run between four to 5000 people every sunday. look himim up. and to have an invitation my wife and i just a go there and we we. the dumbest thing the preacher can preach and not give the invitation why do that? he opened his church months before he got permission from the governor anybody else. and thousands of people come. they have not had one case of coronaviruss. that doesn't mean they can't have it tomorrow. we have to t be careful to say i will honor him and make them all covid inoculated from heaven, i know. [laughter] is inspirational to see a preacher who will stand. we need to fire the holy spirit in our churchesho today. i will give you a quotation i want you to hear what a man said and says now is a supreme opportunity for the church to fulfill its mission on earth the must provide the sharp forces too accomplish the moral and spiritual awakening. no other agency can do it unless it is done we are headed for the disaster to reawaken the sick

jerry falwell started that in lynchburg, virginia, and i think he just wanted to join the stop e.r.a. movement. >> he talked about you being one of the keys for his starting it. >> yeah, uh-huh. >> how did he do it? what -- how did he -- did he he call you? he even invited me to talk in his church. he said he didn't believe in ordaining women, but he might ordain me. if he was going to ordain a woman -- >> some more questions? yes, cadet? >> miss schlafly, gay marriage is seen as such a real, dangerous threat in our society that we need constitutional amendments to ban it. yet at the same time, nobody's really -- you don't really see anyone proposing similar legislation or amendments to ban or outlaw divorc,e which i think has proved a more existential threat to marriage and the american family. is there an inherent inconsistency there? >> well, i -- i agree with you. i think that ronald reagan said signing the easy divorce law in california, which started that trend, was the worst mistake he ever made. and if you've read michael reagan's book about how he used to sit on the curb of t

jerry falwell introduced him to me and he said his zip code is ei ei.r benny tate. let me tell you this. he is a method is a gracious who baptized by immersion. he gets it right. but let me tell you this. he will run 45,000 people every sunday. you want to go in looking up. rock springs church. he puts baptist preachers to shame. i'm telling you. he gives an invitation for people and -- my wife and i go there and just weep. people streamed down the aisles to be safe. i'll tell you the dumbest thing in america ask and do it preaches from and not give an invitation. why do to beginn with? invite people to come to know jesus. but he opened his church months before he got permission from the governor or anybody else. and thousands of people came. they have not had one case of coronavirus. now that doesn't mean they can have it tomorrow. it is serious and it is true and we have to be careful, but i'm just saying i guess god said i'm just going to honor him and make them all covid inoculated from heaven. i don't know but i do know this. it's an inspiration to