could maybe step in and save that giant ministry. >> jerry falwell goes to palm springs, and he meetswell go into a room in the suite. >> where bakker said, i'd like you to take the helm of ptl and hold it together. i need to take some time with my wife and family. >> and when they come out, they say that they have agreed that jerry falwell will take over as head of ptl. >> i don't know what people would say now. like, never resign? >> jesus is the son of god. >> it's possible in 2019 he would have just tried to tough it out. he would have just counted on his natural charisma to get him through. >> listen, our motors were on fire way before this. that ministry was not going to survive. we were all exhausted. jim was exhausted. tammy was exhausted. >> and that was the beginning of him turning over, at least at the time, his ministry to another preacher. >> i think jim bakker always thought he would get a second coming. he would get to come back and reclaim his heritage u.s.a. >> they would start a campaign called forgiven in the aftermath of this that i think just tells you what they w

this has been festering since jerry falwell and his cronies fought against desegregation. actually as i write the book, they closed gerry follow with one of the main figures in virginia and prince edward county where i am from, where i was born rather than desegregate. this modern right wing evangelical movement was born and its roots are in racism. since that time we have seen various spikes in opposition to the common good and to our racial hatred. we saw in the tea party. and there are rhetoric. they wanted to hang president obama, they called his wife and children monkeys, salt the cells of them in many ways calling him the antichrist and all that. it really is a continuation. but then when trumpet, we had a black president, that upset so many people. even before i guess obama was inaugurated get people standing up saying i want my country back. where did it go? country back? oh that's right a black man is president. that means there's something wrong with the country now because this guy went to harvard and columbia. come on. it was festering in the tea party had peop

that was radical for her time when you had people like jerry falwell saying homosexuality is a canceresome. >> stephen: we have a clip of that moment right now, jim. >> and how sad is that? that we as christians who are supposed to love everyone are afraid so badly of an aids patient, that we will not go up to them and put our arm around them and tell them that we care. ( applause ) >> stephen: it's really hard to believe. >> aaah! thank you so much! >> stephen: i have-- it's really-- i have interviewed a lot of people, like in marvel movies who look less transformed in their parts than you do there. i mean, it's-- i know that's you, but it's an incredible transformation, but believable at the same time. how long did that take? >> well, the makeup-- the longest it took was seven hours one day. it's a lot. >> stephen: well, that-- that-- that openly gay minister. >> yes. >> stephen: that you're speaking to there, who was h.i.v. positive at the time in 1985, he lived. >> he did. >> stephen: he came to the premiere. that's the real steve peters right there. ( applause ). >> yes. >> steph

it was used by a young minister named jerry falwell to say that americans would be a majority of people pushing for morality at home and abroad. they would not accept anything less. what do we see? so, david says it looks like nothing is happening. chloe says a bunch of people are dead. karen says stagnation. nathan says it looks more like militaryianism. joan says it seems like they're still very much undemocratic. miranda says not really moving toward democracy. >> the irony, if we go back to the image, the image is they're not moving to democracy at all. we're using the words. it is not that reagan didn't bereave it. he actually believed it. but it was that the pursuit of democracy was often simply destroying democracy. remember the warning from the early cold war. we have to make sure when we are defending values, we are not defending them in ways that actually destroys them. but reagan advocated out of sincerity, supporting the people who needed to be supported because they were fighting the guys we hated. in supporting one group of thugs against another group of thugs, we were not