. >> i'm jerry glenn. >> john hurley, i teach at catholic university. in all of the presentations i didn't see any indication at all about religion and certainly extremists, fundamentalist, adherence of religion play a big role in this whole problem as it has develop ed does the department have any particular section of focus into this area whether both domestically and internationally? >> and one more right here. >> i'm mark rockwell with federal computer week. how is the nature of cyber changes the last qhsr? >> let me take those in order. it's interesting. the statement that during the cold war that the public didn't have much of a role in deterrence, in a sense, though, the entire civil defense mechanism in which individuals were taught what to do and what to act was both for a dprsh a prospective perspective but also to create a deterrent effect. so there were efforts to engage the public in civil defense efforts during the cold war. today with the distributed nature of threats and challenges, the pervasiveness of communications technology, every p