jerry griffith joins us now from new york. all this time, jerry, that it was clive davis who heard her voice and anointed her a star in the make bug instead, you heard her. where did you hear her and describe what you heard at the time. >> well, the first time i heard her was at the bottom line here in new york and i thought she was, you know, an amazing young vocalist but she wasn't ready for the big time. so it is interesting that about a year later, a year and a half later, i heard that someone else was signing her, some other label, so i rushed down to her manager's office and we set up a situation where i could go see her perform again. >> and then what did you hear at that time? had you noticed that her voice had matured, that that year and a half made all the difference in the world? >> amazing. it was an amazing transformation. i mean, you know, she was more powerful, she was more spiritual, she, just you know, she just had the guts to just stand up there and open up and just let it all go. an amazing transformation. >