editor of time magazine who wrote a biography on nelson mandela, stengel and his long time friend, jerry inzerillo. >> it was his genetic endowment what he learned in that moment of time. the great walter zulu who was really his mentor once told me a lovely story when young nelson mandela who first came to johannesburg to study law walked into zulu ice real estate office in soweto we were just trying to become a mass movement and one day a mass leader walked into my office. >> rose: also part of this program, a conversation with nelson mandela which took place here on this program in 1993. >> and the lesson is that the method of the people, the method of political method to be used, part determined by the oppressor himself, if the oppres oppressos peaceful means, we will never result to violence. it is when the oppressor in addition to repressive policies uses violence that the oppress have had no alternative but to retaliate by similar forms of action. and therefore, the pains, the blood that was spilled, the responsibility for that lies squarely on the soldiers. >> rose: mandela for the hour, ne

jerry inzerillo is a close friend of mandela's. author ofel was the "long walk to freedom."e will also be joined by david dinkins. 20 -- you knew him 25 years. goddaughter -- godfather to your daughter. >> i think it is clear to see that, especially with respect to machel, is a unified women. --y have been they have been graceful through this process. you finally get the world -- word that the chief is gone, it is overwhelming. i think there is an equal amount of joy in festivity. now this major event has happened. is actuallyfamily very dignified and holding up well. >> what we know about what is going to happen between now and the funeral day? ofthere are a series protocols that have been put into place that the south african government are executing during -- executing. on the 10th, there will be a huge rally. the funerals on the 15th. i would anticipate is one of the largest gatherings of heads of state in modern history. you may even see more at the state attended nelson mandela's funeral then john f. kennedy's. there will be more protocol put in because of mandiba -- m

. >>> most of us new nelson mandela from a great distance as a great leader but to jerry inzerillo mandela was also a close friend. and best man at his wedding and good sphawr to his daughter. i asked him about that froand friendship. >> one of my cel my cell my frit opened a bar and grill. and there was a particula tickee parade. he was like a rock star. he took the city by a storm. in between a lot of the yoi offl functions we just took time to talk. he was the best man at your wedding. my wife was from south africa and she was hosting "good morning south africa" and very fond of nelson mandela and i got to be with him many places around the world and travel with him. and when we walked up to him and holding hand he raised one of those big chubby fingers and said "what is going on here" arounisitandhe said, i want to t man. and we said "we would be delighted" and he said "that entitentitles me to be to a bab. >> hso he was the god father. >> it took us seven years to have a baby. he scal called from morocco andd "i named your child" i naimed it the one that took a long time to come. when

i wanted to introduce to jerry inzerillo, a family friend who was invited.the most touching things was to see them holding hands and winnie wiping graca's tears away. i will never forget that. so, jerry, how will you sum it up, these past ten days? you know i was watching one of the villagers in qunu saying a big tree has fallen. that took me for a second because i thought what a lovely thing to say about him. >> it is a lovely thing. if you can compare him to a great tree, he was one of the greatest we ever had, but knowing his devotion to children especially when he got out of prison, he would often say the tiny seed carries the prom for the mighty tree. mandela would want children. it's their time now. i think of my own 7-year-old daughter, it's their time to lead now. so the inspiration and his leadership has to bring many generations of new leaders. and the thing i was most touched about yesterday and this dignified great man was laid into the ground, is it occurred to me that somewhere in the world, some country, a baby is born that's going to be the n