it is a very tangled web that jerry kushner has waived for us. >> derek kushner and other governmentr the auspices of developing policy, a peace plan. by the way a peace plan is supposed to be between israel and the palestinians. that's did not quite unfolds the way it was supposed to. part of the problem here is not just that government officials might line their pockets in the course of their work. but there is an allegation put forward by the new york times reporting that in fact, this was meant to be something -- relations and negotiators on behalf of the american people for the benefit of middle east peace. and into was entirely something else. that is a whole different thing. even if jerry kushner was not running his, pockets there is mr. spurts isn't a shunt of white durkan was doing on the public dime as an official of the administration for the last four years. for the four years that donald trump was in office. >> that is exactly right. when we have a top foreign policy official and diplomats and for that matter even members of the intelligence community, who are conducting

there's jerry kushner saying that he told trump that he went to go along with giuliani and there is arump campaign are saying that law firms were comfortable with giuliani's claims. here it is. >> what they were proposing, i thought it was nuts. the theory was also completely nuts. a combination of italians and germans in different things that are floating around as to who was involved. she is an affidavit from somebody. said they were the software in and software in the philippines. >> did you ever share your view? did you share your respective about him to the president? >> i guess -- yes. >> tell me what you said. >> is not the approach i would take if i was you. >> how did he react? how does it react when you should have you with them? >> i have confidence in ready. >> had conversations with all of our counsel who were signed up to assist on election day as they disengaged with the campaign. the general consensus was that law firms were not comfortable making the arguments that rudy giuliani was making publicly. >> okay. so elliott and mr. attorney, how would this play in a court

it is his body man, tops in your visor's to the white house, his family, jerry kushner, ivanka trump, the testimony presented by all of these individuals makes this difficult for donald trump to push back against. this is why you heard him defending and doubling down on his position that he believed that the slate of electors should have been sent back to the state legislators. ultimately, the acts of those who were in attendance there, at the day of the insurrection, were essentially justified. further, i want to let you hear other comment that he made about those over 800 individuals who have been prosecuted by the doj. take a listen. >> january six defendants are having their lives totally destroyed and being treated worse than a true terrorists and murderers, despite most being charged with parading through the capitol. most people should not be treated the way that they are being treated. if i become president someday, if i decide to do it, i will be looking at them very seriously for pardons. it will be very, very seriously. [applause] >> it is important to know that there is su