and what did you make of old jerry nadler?hink there is a shift in the discussion $14.5 trillion later. now it's not a deficit problem. it's only an employment problem. >> that actually should have been a good piece of the democratic message. the whole time during the debt crisis thing. he has a point. i mean, one of the reasons you have all of these people out of work. they are not -- you don't pay taxes when you are out of work. you actually need unemployment benefits. we should be addressing that and neither party has been talking about it. >> laura: i think the republicans have been talking about 9.2% unemployment quite a bit. >> talking about in the debt crisis they have been talking about cutting, spending, cutting taxes. >> laura: but, joe. >> none of that is going to create jobs. >> laura: when the president came out, i forget how many times he has come out. every other night is he doing men mental press conference or speech. he disawnt talk about unemployment. is he not talking bun employment. >> the answer is on mess

when she says $4 trillion grand plan, i asked jerry nadler on tv the other day, i didn't get a copy of? ? it's in the newspaper. that's the problem with the president. the president says to the public he wants to cut 4 trillion, and he gets behind closed doors with john boehner, and says we're not actually cutting 4 trillion. almost 2 trillion is increased taxes. that's not an honest debate, and that's why the president won't put it in writing. >> pat buchanan said here's the deal. the republicans will not increase taxes, period, exclamation point. do you think he's got a right assessment of that, and if that is the case -- >> yes. >> then what is the likelihood of any sort of a deal happening? >> well, i think that the senate will have to come to terms with the fact that the policies that have come out of washington have failed ms.abiserably. if you look at the spending spree that's gone on, and at the end of the day if we raise the debt ceiling and do nothing to deal with the deficits, we're going to be downgraded anyway. that's the part democrats don't want to talk about, that the s