. >> jerry parker next. >> just a question for carter and perhaps matt, and it is similar, but your testimony really highlighted the need we talked about how novel the bio threat is and low probability and high consequences and it demands novel approaches. and it requires people thinking outside of their box and outside of their comfort zone, and it requires cultural change. and the postal model home stockpiles, and the private sector is -- needs to be incorporated in this in novel approaches but it is really speaking to leadership. it comes back to leadership, and it is also maybe not in addition to the white house leadership, but you know having the secretary and deputy secretaries also engaged on this is very very important as well. and that leadership, you already told us that you believe having a bob catholic, and that leadership in the white house is important. but what other lessons learned since you were in the eye of the hurricane, so to speak in the white house, in addition to just having that position whether attributes need to be attached to that position to be most effective. >>

i'll look to my left at scooter libby and jerry parker and troy and others and gigi who have all kind of armored up, if you will, with that mission vision and know whatever they do regardless of what their interests are they know that that's an inherent thing they have to contribute to. i think that's what motivates many of us in this room. i think that's one of the essential elements. leaders articulate the vision clearly for everyone. the other critical thing, you can talk about integrity but standing for and doing what is right, to be the advocate when oftentimes there are no others. quite frankly for this kind of arcane subject, for people who haven't had a lot of steeping in biology or medicine or haven't had a personal life experience around this, it can be a little off putting. i think for the leaders that have been here again to my former leader ken, who enabled me, looking to me as his subject matter expert, was giving me the opportunities to pursue those issues that he knew were the right ones and stood for them and stood by me and basically allowed me to do what i articulat