and there was you know bugs bunny and tom and jerry popeye all these shows and something you know i just fell in love with it i don't know that we don't have any artists in our family there's no history of art and something something snapped in my head and there were lots and lots of cold wonderful cartoons in the soviet union the only one that i really watched was a little giddy you know and so i didn't know it was actually tom and jerry and i said oh yes that's right and so i never i was never exposed here really you know yeah and so. you know they're just i just kind of fall in love there's and i've talked to other animators i've always said like how do we how do we become enemies . in a such a small part of of of the business and there's no answer it's just like something inside of you wants to do it you want to become an animated or you started because you started drawing i mean or you wanted to make cartoons i wanted to make or to feel sufficiently did you think of the books oh yeah yeah yeah all my textbooks were completely cold of movement. then. tell me about you first first or