but i do think michael picker who jerry r brown appointed af pb left did try to change that. think there's a lot criticism for regulatrs to go around and that we asked him to do a lot and that safety was not necessarily the main charge it always should be, of course, but it wasn't to the extent. i think you could ask that question why didn't both pg&e and cpuc see this wildfire climate crisis coming. i think we don't knw yet. >> well, first of all do you think that's a fair criticism of the puc? >> yes, absolutely. they were complicit. when i s there we were a watchdog. and the very first thing i did to order pg&e to trim their trees and we would find them for cutting corners on maintenance and safety. it is truefor the last 15 years the puc has beenco-oped and not concerned about safety. now we were and enwhat ha instead of trimming the trees and doing the right things, pg&e, 15 years ago, they chose bankruptcy to get out from under california's control. and now remember they chose >> and we are seeing san francisco has been flirting with municipal powers for a long time and