. >> and the man who did it also did the jerry springer opera. >> yes, the man who wrote the lyrics.> rose: right. >> every two years we do a new opera and commission a new opera, and we have been thinking, you know, what does new opera mean?? i mean a lot of times operas, new operas are based on very famous literary sources .. for instance, operas the great gas by, view from the bridge, things like that. in london we have had things based on greek mythology, the minotaur, stuff -- the operas i have been conducted that are new have been based on shakespeare, the winter's tale, macbeth, the tempest, new opera with a contemporary subject is what we wanted to. do it is sordid, it is awkward, society today. >> rose: you are talking about celebrity. >> about celebrity, the fetishism of the camera and paparazzi and how destructive that can be, but also people's penchant for having wanting to have their 15 minutes in the spotlight. >> andy warhol. >> and, you know, and how without talent you can become famous, you know, it is pretty scary. >> >> rose: famous for being famous. >> famous for