employer, but i think by in large, it is clear here that jerry jones, if ehe wants to, could fire or suspend players who wouldn't stand up. >> vanin your new book, and the chapter, it's an open letter to conservatives and you say, "more than anything you place great value on protecting and upholding the foundational liberties enshrined in the constitution particularly the right to free speech, movement, association and religion." those conservative principles, how did they square with opposition to taking a knee? >> look, i think that the conservative movement has some real trouble and i -- i wrote this book, you know, "beyond the messy truth: how we came apart, how we come together," trying to figure out how we can better republicans and better democrats. i think we need two strong party. the conservative movement now seems to be an anti-liberal movement. it's much more interested in figuring out ways to poke at liberals than to actually lift up values s that the country c actually be united around. there's really a huge missed opportunity here. the republican party, everybody's forgotten this now, has been leading the charge o