jerry van dyke is a cbs news consultant on afghanistan and pakistan.e spent years in the area, and in 2008 was held capti days by the taliban. he joins us with some insight. good morning to you, jerry. >> good morning, betty. >> as i mentioned, you spent some time in that same area where bin laden was killed. what is that location like? >> it's not a suburb of islamabad, as people are saying. it's about an hour and a half north of the city. it's up in the mountains. it's what the british used to call a hill station. it's very hot in islamabad. you go up in the mountains in abbottabad, which is where pakistanis go like the british before them, when the british ruled that area, to get away from the heat. it's also an area where there are many pakistani military forces. it's right next to a place called mansera which is right next to kashmir and this is where pakistanis train their militants who fight in kashmir. it's a very delicate area. not an area where americans are normally allowed. and it's very, very surprising that osama bin laden would be in thi

jerry jerry van dyke, cbs news consult consultant joins me now at vbs vbs news headquarters. you we you were held captive by the taliban taliban in afghanistan for 45 45 days. give m give me an idea of what this night night means to you. >> th >> this is an extraordinary night night. emly emly when i think of the fact fact that osama bin laden is now now dead. the the taliban have captured me, my my jailers said to me that you you will never find osama bin bin laden along the border. he is he is being kept by an instit institution far away from the the border. where where i was captured was exactl exactly along the border, a bit bit north where i think where o where osama bin laden was, where where he was killed. i was i was in-- agency. when when you think of that area, think think of california, nevada, a a lit like new mexico. the the cia has said even the bush bush administration that it is one is one of the toughest areas in th in the world in which to hide. hide. it is it is a wilderness area, practic practically. that's that's not really true. it's it's desert like. th