who later became jerry yang. so i'm like-- he was just giving his phd, him and his partner. this is the world i got exposed it to and when i saw that being an entertainment lawyer and knowing my culture, i saw there was nothing in all those clicks -- like 2000 links, text links before the world wide web which means there was dubbed, death, when all graphics and sound and video is added, before it was text, mostly scientists and the department of defense designing bombs, so i decided that there was something here, so when i went back to la: that's when i had-- i just started, started bantering with him on the phone back and forth and that's when we-- finally said something super narrow placket-- no, not black that's too hard, so i came up with no are and we came up with that more scenic i went to read a part has as one of my favorite parts of that particular conversation in the book. we suddenly this is you and malcolm-- let me start early, david was the approaching middle-age lawyer. malcolm was-- >> in print? re