i think they have to do with jesse chisholm.r, theree civil were trade routes radiating through the grassland. you had to be able to find water and grass all the time. grass as i discussed in my book as stored solar energy. and that's what powers them. just like storing solar energy. it's just a different form. that's the key to making it work. that.'ve got to have that was very important. in the name chisholm. these people knew this route. from the trading tot the osage is would go many times around. people knew this area. to go from there to the red river south or any other rivers through present indian territory , there were certain rats people talk. black beaver knew this -- certain routes people talk. union officers were vacating very quickly and they needed, they cannot go south or they could not go east into arkansas. that was a silly move. it was too far to go to california. they want to get back up to the north. there -- black beaver wouldhem up what later become the chisholm trail. it was already a well-known route to

running for president, and carol moseley brown running for president, and jesse jackson running for president, and shirley chisholm boy, does he look young. >> i'm glad you didn't move it over to where i would look younger and heavier. >> since that young man in that video ran for president, one of the challenges has been getting african-american voters to line up in the numbers, in the robust numbers for other candidates the way it was done for him. now, we know african-american women voted the highest percentages, but that overall hillary clinton didn't perform as well as barack obama did, that individual candidates have had trouble generating the same kind of enthusiasm. what does the democratic party need to do to regain the confidence and the enthusiasm of their real hard-core base, african-american? >> they have to address the issues that hard-core african-americans are concerned about, just like they have to do with farmers, just like they have to do with those that are concerned about other interests. labor, whatever it may be. and i think that with a lot of african-americans, no one travels more than i do