series of meetings on the hill and with one of the most incredible one being bono going in to meet jesse helmes, and the story is jesse's eyes wheled with tears and he said i wish i did in my life the things you are doing. and he explain today the coalition which was a great breakthrough and jesse helmes, chris dodd and pat and rick santorum and we put the coalition together. and the deal was i thought we needed pat robertson in a meeting like this and i knew pat cared about the issue. when i called him he said i haven't been in the white house since clinton was elected but maybe i should do it for this cause. i told if you cancel pat robertson i am not coming. and we had a great meeting, reached agreement on a number of issues which helped pass the first down payment on debt relief to help innocent people in africa. and the most amazing par was at the end of the meeting, up in the corner was bill clinton and pat robertson yapping it up. i said if you want to believe in miracles then take a look at that. as a result of that we have saved millions of lives in africa. i give the credit for bono.

people but it is the greatest thing that ever happened in the story came out in this meeting jesse helms his eyes welled with tears and he said i wish i had done in my life you we're doing because you are saving lives. he joined the coalition. and chris dodd and rick santorum, we put a great coalition together and the deal was i thought we needed pat robertson and he cared about the issue and he said i haven't been in the white house since clinton was elected maybe i needed to do with for this cause. once you got the clearance i said at the time if you cannot get pat robertson i am not coming. [laughter] we had a great meeting and reached an agreement on a number of issues and put the first down payment on debt relief to help people in africa the most amazing part at the end of the meeting up in the corner was bill clinton and pat robertson yucking it up by turned to the staff members and said you want to believe in miracles? take a look at that. as a result we saved millions of lives in africa and i give the credit to bono. he is in my book as someone we can believe one as opposed to pa

>> look at jesse helms in 1990. >> north carolina? jess te hee helms running the republican party? >> yes. ran in 1990. >> he wasn't running the republican party. >> he was running with the republican party. >> he was a senator from north carolina. >> but he's a classic republican. >> robert byrd -- >> he disavowed those beliefs. the democratic party used to be a racist party until 1968. >> abraham lincoln was a republican. >> you're going back in time. >> so are you. >> the democratic party used to be a racist party until 1968. it's no longer a ratist party. >> i've also been a republican for over 40 years. so let's put that in context. are there elements within american society, right or left, that have racial tones? yes. institutionally, no, we don't accept any codified law, social morees in the republican party. they go to the minority communities around america in support there. i would say to the black community, why are you giving your vote to another -- to a party that no longer needs you or gives you, if you look at the urban environment, any future path to success? when i

i remember jesse helms, you've had john bolton have quick spikes in some of this. so we've seen it before, but not consolidated in such a large footprint using modern methods of communication. and the internet and the networking that's bringing all of this together. and he's seducing that party. and i think it's very dangerous. >> as a republican, what did you think of the vice president confronting a lot of the what trump is saying there? and are you comfortable with the sort of thin foreign policy vision that trump laid out tonight on that battleship? >> absolutely not. you know, mr. trump clearly believes that there's mileage in the issue of immigration, which is why he spent 30 seconds in what he billed as a major foreign policy address on foreign policy, and everything else pivoted back to immigration. but my own view is i don't really believe at the end of the day, america wants as president a man who's going to need to consult wikipedia in national security briefings. this is a guy who has absolutely no fluency in the issue of national security or frankly an

any time america has taken that direction, whether it be joseph mccarthy, jesse helm, stand negotiateor -- >> are you saying he feels that in his gut or is he just saying these things because he knows it will attract a certain element? >> i think he's dropping bombs to get attention and he does have media savvy in our current age. he knows how to use instagram. he's the snapchat type candidate but i don't think that's the substance america is looking to lead. >> i think there's a combination of bold. i think he's a patriot, he loves america. and i think he sees the problems in this country, this country is going to hell in a hand basket. i think the issue on illegal immigration, don't think it's fair to say people who agree with his position on illegal immigration -- not the name calling, but the point about sanctuary city and we have a flood of illegals, crime rates, denigrating schools, all those are valid concerns people should be concerned about, but it's his way -- the way he's going about doing it isn't presidential at all. but people are frustrated with the politics, the very v

>> reporter: hard to say, because all the way back when jes jes jesse helms was leading the committeea softball game, to north carolina, she was the ambassador to the united nations and she had to basically lobby him very effectively. as did richard holbrooke, the late diplomat, when he was ambassador. it was also in the hands of whoever was controlling the appropriations committee and at the time it was a republican and a very conservative one at that. it is very hard to imagine a scenario other than some major crisis, humanitarian crisis or a war where the u.n. showed its effectiveness. but it's been a long time since we've seen real effectiveness. it was a u.n.-led force and nato of course in libya, but we all know how that ended up with a dysfunctional state. so the toppling of gadhafi is hardly a way to argue for u.n. effectiveness. >> and the view of ban ki-moon, you think in plain english, is nice man, perhaps not as strong or effective a man as he could be. >> reporter: i think that's the case. i think it's also the times. we're back in super power diplomacy and in arm conflic

i was involved campaign against senator jesse helms when i was in college. i cannot hear, and was not initially involved politically. -- when i came out here, i was not initially involved politically. i helped to build the lgbt community center. i started doing campaigns. i gradually got involved in democratic party politics. i got involved in the alice b. toklas democratic club. i ran for the democratic central committee in 2004. i ended up sharing the committee. it was a gradual process for me. by the time i started thinking about running for supervisor, it made sense because of my involvement in the community and in politics. >> what did you learn from campaigning for supervisor? >> i learned a lot. i knocked on about $15,000. -- i knocked about 15,000 doors. i met a huge number of people. that is the best way to learn about the neighborhood, the city, and what people want and what their concerns are. i feel i can do so much more than before and started campaigning. -- i feel like i know so much more than before i started campaigning. we're all part of th