i was involved campaign against senator jesse helms when i was in college. when i cannot hear, and was not initially involved politically. -- when i came out here, i was not initially involved politically. i helped to build the lgbt community center. i started doing campaigns. i gradually got involved in democratic party politics. i got involved in the alice b. toklas democratic club. i ran for the democratic central committee in 2004. i ended up sharing the committee. it was a gradual process for me. by the time i started thinking about running for supervisor, it made sense because of my involvement in the community and in politics. >> what did you learn from campaigning for supervisor? >> i learned a lot. i knocked on about $15,000. -- i knocked about 15,000 doors. i met a huge number of people. that is the best way to learn about the neighborhood, the city, and what people want and what their concerns are. i feel i can do so much more than before and started campaigning. -- i feel like i know so much more than before i started campaigning. we're all part

refused to endorse harvey gant an african-american democrat when he ran against republican senator jesse helms an outspoken opponent of civil rights and a former segregationist some social observers say it was michael jordan he set the example for star athletes on being a political in one thousand nine hundred the famous lead a kind of back up democratic african-american senate candidate in his home state of north carolina and by responding republicans by sneakers to the bottom line requires offending as few people as possible so if you want to make money you had better keep your mouth shut. in many ways these two great athletes represent the twin poles of the story of politics in american sports ali on the one side showing how greatness in the ring doesn't require sacrificing greatness outside of it not of a great little jordan on the other ushering in a new age of corporate rule that loves to glorify the image of rebellion while stripping it of its substance so it doesn't get in the way of its bottom line interests. and it says something i think very damning about this country that ali has b

and yet the controversy surrounding that work led to jesse helms calling you a jerk on the floor of the u.s. congress, and you were-- you were vilified in the political world. what was that experience like? it was like something out of kafka where i wake up in the morning and found myself being denounced in congress. and of course, i never imagined that it would happen. the piece was not intended to be offensive or provocative, you know. at the time, i barely had any kind of reputation or audience so i didn't expect for it to do what it did. but, you know, it had its ups and downs, to say the least. (anderson) it was part of a larger series. you were working with several other kinds of objects immersed in different fluids. could you talk a little bit about the series itself? well, actually, i had begun working with, specifically, milk and blood and later went on to piss. but at first, the fluids were being used in a very abstract way. you know, sort of, you know, using them as pure color or pigment in the same way an artist would use paint, you know. but ultimately, i decided to refer i

>> they met at a jesse helms victory celebration in 1984, and she had her eye on him, and she watched him for years, and he knew she was too young and stayed away until it was more appropriate. but they started going out after her high school graduation. >> so you found they were for religion, but not religious. the five? >> no, that would be just bill kristol. >> what about the religion of the others? >> clint bullock, for example, was eighthiest, -- was atheist, mostf his life. he describes himself aa "recovering atheist." but he was very much in the libertarian school of and with atheist -- the ian rand libertarian school of atheist. >> how many people followeder writing, ian rand? >> in the book or -- >> no, in their lives. you nam leo strauss. did anyone els follow leo strauss besides bill kristol? >> of the five in there, no. but a lot of other conservatives did. so what i did with the book is kristol rresents the straussians and let's understand where they are coming from because they have had an enormous impact on the coervativeovement. clint represents libertarians, let's see