how you think we can recapture the golden age of jesse helms? >> you will not believe this. in what happened was i was ambassador at the u.n. and to get a phone call from them saying that i had been invited to a college in raleigh, north carolina, that was celebrating its bicentennial. i thought i could get out of it by saying yes, i would be happy to do it if you would come with me. so he called back and he says i have rearranged my schedule, i'm coming. wanone of the things that happes if you invited by somebody and they're supposed to introduce you, they will not say you were a complete jerk. then he invited me to come to his alma mater. i was asked questions about the united nations and the chemical weapons conventions and berries issues. what happened was we been driving around north carolina at first looking for barbecue places, and he was bionic with artificial hips and we were getting out of the car and hanging onto them. all of a sudden there was a picture about the odd couple. we disagreed on many, many things, but he said when asked into a second estate, we will m

makin probably still, although jesse helms is contending that maybe he had beaten makin out on that. there's still some controversy. a close friend of makin's one said, if mr. makin should happen to be drowned, i should not look down the current for his body but up the stream. and finally jefferson wrote that with makin's death the republic would mark the last of the romans. both of of these men were very well regarded in the day. the third chapter is probably the most controversial of the 14 leaders. john c calhoun's as amity slaves writes in her quote the support part of slavery has been enough to see him wiped out in children's textbooks yet the omission leaves younger citizens in the dark about valuable history. i admit that amity slaves is right about that. i will always regret that calhoun was the defender of slavery. it is said that his career so overshadowed by that fact. his writings, for the majority of his career, or focus on paris, national bank, and other central themes and other plans and defensive slavery slavery came later in his career. interestingly calhoun is cited

he looked at me and i mean that sincerely, he said jesse helms adopted a young man with braces up tohis hips at 14 years old. i said i would feel like a jerk that he said well he did. he said show what i've learned and this is your ammo. he said it's always appropriate to challenge another man or woman's judgment but it's never appropriate to assume a motive because you don't know very today i suspect amy will tell you it's all about motive up there. it's not about judgment. you are a bad person. you really are not a good god-fearing man. it's all about, it's about what people think your motive is and a scribe a motive. you can't get to guess after i tell you i think you are dishonest or you are in the pocket of the industry. it's awful hard for us to get to a guess. that's what's wrong. >> i want to ask about the question. you are both new to the vice presidency after years in the senate. this is a new experience and you had to make it up as you went. what was the greatest challenge you faced early in her vice presidency to make a work? >> he did a lot redder. i have never in my ent

i railed against jesse helms and he had no social redeeming -- i didn't care about the handicap. he let me go on. he said, joe, what would you say if i told you jesse helms adopted a young man with braces on both legs up to his hips until they were 14 years old as their own. i said i'd feel like a jerk. he said, well, he did. joe, what i have learned is -- and this is your m.o., he said it's always appropriate. it's never, never appropriate to assume a motive. because you don't know. today, as amy will tell you, it's about motive not about judgment. you're a bad pesh, you're not a god fearing man. it's about what people think your motive is. and often you can't get to yes. you can't get to yes after i tell you i think you're dishonest or in the pocket of the industry. >> you were both new to the vice presidency after years in the senate. this is a new experience and you had to make it up as you went. what was the greatest challenge you faced early in your vice presidency to make it work? >> he did a lot better. i never in my life have had a boss. it was i had to realize anything

more aboutcribe that, and how we can recapture the golden age of jesse helms?aughter] secretary albright: you will not believe this. what happened is i was ambassador at the u.n., and i got a phone call from him saying that i had been invited to a college in north carolina, celebrating its bicentennial. i thought i could get out of it by saying, i would be happy to do it if you come with me. back and said, i have rearrange my schedule, and i'm coming. if you are invited by someone, and they are supposed to introduce you, they will not a jerkhey think you are . i was asked about the united nations, and various issues. what happened was we had been driving around north carolina, at first looking for barbecue places. he was bionic with an artificial hip. we are getting out of the car, and i'm hanging on to him. all of a sudden, there is a picture of the odd couple. we disagree on many things. he said to me, miss madeleine, we will make history together. he was very instrumental as far ofnato expansion, any number aspects that we doe disagreed upon. we saw what it

i railed against jesse helms , no socially redeeming, did not care about the handicap and let me go onthe most important lesson i learned, he looked at me and said, what would you say if i told you three years ago a young man was adopted, 14 years old. i'd say, i feel like a jerk. he said, well, you did. this is your mo. there is always an appropriateness to challenge a man's talent but never appropriate to challenge a motive because you don't know. it is all about motive up there, not judgment. you are -- it is all about what people think your motive is an describe a motive. you cannot get to yes after i tell you,i tell you, i think you are dishonest or in the pocket of the industry, and it is hard for us to get to yes. >> ask you both the question. you are both new to the vice presidency. >> what was the greatest challenge you face early in your vice presidency to make it work? >> he did a lot better. i have never in my entire life had a boss. [laughter] i mean,, for real, even when i was a young lawyer, and it was -- i had to realize that anything i said would be attributed to the p

can you described that and how you think we can recapture the golden age of jesse helms? >> people will not believe this. if i might tell you, what happened, i was ambassador at the u.n. and i get a phone call from him saying i had been invited to saint mary's college of raleigh that was celebrating. i thought it would get out of it by saying yes, i'd be happy to do it if you would come with me. he calls me back saying i've rearranged my schedule, i'm coming. if they're supposed to introduce you, they're not going to saw you're a complete jerk. then he invited me to come to his alma mater. i was asked questions about the quite nationed and various issues. what happened is we had been driving around north carolina looking for barbecue places and he was bionic with artificial hips and we're getting out of the car and i'm hanging on to them and all of the sudden there was a picture about the odd couple. but we disagreed on many, many things. but he said to me when i was named as secretary of state, ms. madeleine, we will make history together. he is very instrumental in term