during the reverend jesse jackson, the godfather of national security was okay, what was your support like there? oh, definitely been charged and i was more or less a public se featured out to me personally. and, and it was just simple, the institute for public accuracy, including journalists, i'm a lot of people interested in my case. so i got hundreds of me for what i done. and so it was, it was really the same type level as co ordination in the u. k, as i, i know no political figure, i know public figures stood up, and so yeah, it was, it was principally from the u. s. in fact, they are not supportive of our whistle blowing despite the fact that in many british outlets treat you as a whistle blower where they support is did they? um the ups of being pods at the guardian then suggests that they would pay for on who you know, who would represent me by the guardian to pay for my lawyers. but you know, and i did end up going for liberty enough of fantastic. they were really great and, and they blocks any type of and one to say horrible things to me. um, uh, any sorts of outspoken polit

revelations, you guard support from some big names in the united states, including the reverend jesse jackson, the godfather of national security whistle blowers, daniel ellsberg, and congressman dennis percentage did any of that help your situation. and what about in the u. k. what was your support like there? i definitely definitely helped me. um, because as soon as my name was out as soon as i been charged and i was more or less of public sega and i got a huge amount of support, particularly from the us. so yeah, i down alice but reached out to me personally. and um, and it was just an amazing um, amazing support for me and, and uh, and lots of people the institute for public accuracy, including journalist sam, his seine and norman solomon. they um, you know, they really campaigned on my behalf and helped to get a lot of people interested in my case. so i got hundreds and hundreds of supports of emails from people in the us. all basically, you know, um yeah, hailing me for what i done and so it was, it was really good. you know, i was just overwhelmed by the, the support i got from the us

king at the airport with jesse jackson and andy young.think so. are you sure you wouldn't like a little bit of the apple pie? yes, i believe i will. [laughter] >> stephen: well, are you surprised -- how does it feel to be singing "we shall overcome" in an airport 60 years later and it's still a fitting song to be singing with justin jones? what's your emotional reaction to having been there and now 60 years later to be singing that in an airport in newark? >> joan: with somebody really, really young. you know, interested in nonviolence, that blew my mind. we've written a book on it. it was just sort of amazing that we connected like that. and you know, it doesn't happen every day. >> stephen: you've got a new book. it's called "am i pretty when i fly?" there you go. [cheers and applause] and it's an album of upside down drawings. what do you mean? do you hang upside down -- >> joan: i was going to say, you'd be the person to guess that. >> stephen: that's what i literally thought. >> joan: no, i was not standing on my head and drawing. it

now, what do you make of the state of things and you you've been from jesse jackson campaign 1984 to all the work from that moment on, you have seen the shifts in our political landscape scape. you have been privy to the political discourse. what you make of this moment in the 21st century when it comes to race and democracy. what you you know, as a black woman who grew up in the segregated deep south, i spent much of my childhood wondering if i would live long enough to see my old age or my senior years or even my middle age. i'll never forget when i wrote in my diary and by the way, i'm catholic, said i will always my diary always started, dear god, because i was afraid that if i talked to the priest and confessed what i was feeling, he would tell the man singer and then my senior would get so confused. he would tell the bishop bishop would talk to the archbishop before, you know, the cardinal will be in my business and the pope. so i went straight. god, i'm like, i'm not messing with you, man. you just ain't time enough for me. so i know i in time, but, you know, i'm still a good

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i was speaking to people like harry belafonte reverend jesse jackson.yself asking a lot of questions about king and was curious what he was like. that is what it occurred to me in the last 40, 50 years or so, we have turned king into a two-dimensional figure. i think especially with the national holiday, has become a hallmark card. we have water down his vision. these men were telling me they considered king a radical, as radical as malcolm x in many ways. his public image has been changed so much i felt this was a great opportunity to write a book that would correct that image and also any opportunity to write the book while so many people who knew king were still alive. i travel the country over the last six years interviewing folks not just like the ones i mentioned but also what he to abernathy, reverend lafayette, and asking them, what was it like to be around king? what was his message? how have we lost sight of the real man? i wanted to write a more intimate portrait. it had been a good 35 years since the last king biography had been published or

of curiosity, i began asking people like, did gregory and harry belafonte and angry young and jesse jackson like to be around martin luther king jr. day. that's when it occurred to me, that we really soften his image over the last 25, 30 years, especially since the national holiday was created. we've soften dr. king to the point that you wouldn't recognize his real radical nature. you wouldn't realize, recognize just how create courageous he, wasn't just how complicated he was. he suffered, he went through moments of sadness. he struggled with wondering if used doing the right thing. i wanted to write a book that would make you feel like you knew him in a way like the others knew him. >> to that point, you said, when we make him liking into mess, we do them a disservice. talk about how you included aspects of king humanities and flaws in order to paint the porch of his life. >> i think there is no question that king is big enough -- . he was important enough, he was brave enough, he accomplished so much. he was the greatest activists in history. let's be honest about the fact that he wasn't

i remember talking to the governor, jesse jackson called in, and others, because we felt we had a slimioned. and you vindicated our open face. >> rev, thank you. let me tell you, i think the real way to achieve success is that people who are out in the street. you were leading them. i will never forget the wonderful eulogy you gave, talking about how george floyd, he had a knee on his neck, but we all had a knee on our next. it's a historical oppression that we have faced. but the real impediments are multifaceted. i mean, we start out with the first thing that the minneapolis police department said about george floyd's death is that he died in a medical incident, which did not mention -- the violence did not mention, they did not mention any of that. the next thing we see is that it was about video taken by darnella frazier that went viral. and that really sparked a nationwide international movement which i think made it so that the system really had to stop and take this case seriously -- >> it set the climate, for sure. >> yeah, it certainly did. and then, after that, i've been, you

but on the other side, too, -- gephardt, jesse jackson, ted kennedy, al gore. the list goes on. they all had been pro-life. they become pro-choice. abortion becomes the tip of this sort of incredible ideological iceberg that divides our country. and here we are today. thank you. thank you for telling everyone who mildred jefferson is, because my next question is, mildred jefferson was the sort of poster person for the right to life movement. and norma, who was the subject of roe versus wade, norma mccorvey, she flipped back and forth. but at first she was the poster child for the pro-choice movement. what similarities? speaking of politics, sation do you see between the two? so they're very different people. very, very different people. one hyper educated, one not at all educated, but there were there were similarities there. you're right to draw attention to that. they both really saw opportunity. they both wanted the limelight and they both saw opportunity in this in this issue. so it's very interesting just to sort of touch on mildred jefferson first. she's a brilliant woman,

when i grew, up i looked at, i was 12 or 13 years younger than jesse jackson. i looked up to them.oked up to whoever they put their. so you emulate and imitate what you see. and, if they can remove what you see, they can remove who you can be. >>, nicole if i can add, we were earlier chatting just a bit, but we lauded republicans for not committing treason. >> heroism is taking an action despite the blow back. if defending a young woman with the audacity to speak truth and to say that quiet is not, vista paraphrase the line that offended this parent, if we cannot come together to defend a young woman who, at the peak of her youth, spoke for so many millions, then why would we dare believe that they will defend the rest of us in another time of trouble. >> she also said that we are not broken, we are unfinished. i've heard republicans say worst things about the state of our country. i did take a short break, but when we come back we're gonna have so much more. under doctor stacey abrams about her new novel, rogue justice, as timely as can be. timely as can be i'm world champion skie

stacey said, she's growing -- where i grew up, i looked at -- i was 12, 13 years younger than jesse jackson, i would have looked up to whoever they put there. so you emulate and imitate what you see. if they can remove what you see, they can remove who you be. >> nicolle, if i can add. >> sure. >> we were chatting earlier a bit. but lauded americans for not committing treason. but heroism is taking an action despite the blowback. and if defending a young woman who had the audacity to speak truth and to say that quiet is not peace, to paraphrase the line that offended this parent, if we cannot come together to defend a young woman who spoke for so many millions, why would we dare believe that they will defend the rest of us in another time of trouble? >> right. shows us we are not broken, we are unfinished. there were republicans saying worse things than that about the state of our country. we just need to sneak in a break. when we come back, we'll talk to stacey abrams about her new novel. acey abrams about her new novel. ♪♪ when you're a small-business owner, your to-do list can be... a lo

when i was a kid and jesse jackson said to me, "i am somebody," i had to believe that.rning joe" rather than, you know, rikers island. you have to have somebody change your mind. that's where we're changed to -- challenged to change the mind. >> we're all on the shoulders of giants, the false humility, come on, that's a deep south thing there. >> flashing a little of the south there. it has to be said, again, we've talked about this for eight years now, but the idea that donald trump, who lives in a castle by the sea in florida when he's not living in a penthouse on fifth avenue. >> a golden penthouse. >> is the avatar for the fight against arrogance and coastal elitism. donald trump, who flies around in a plane. but there is, donny, as you know, there's that level of aspiration. he is a rich guy. we saw him on tv. also, that he is going to fight for us, even if he is the guy who lives in a gold-plated penthouse. >> what democrats need to understand is step away from woke. i mean, that's the tool he has. the more the democrats go down that rabbit hole, the more everythi

jesse, i'm 14 months over from alcoholism. i found my answers in forgiveness, not resentments. for yourself and make a change. like michael jackson white woman for 54 years and she still does not listen to me. [laughs] yeah, i don't think sunday with the extents what marriage is all about. tommy from idaho. can the people who are shouting at aoc actually go and vote? it seems like no one likes her. but she wins every election. christine from boston, jesse, i bet you could please stop making quotation marks with your fingers. everyone does it. but you do it the most. [laughs] rick from pennsylvania jesse, you use the word woker. there is no such word. you should have used more work. i'm surprised your mother jeannette kreher you. i use a lot of words that are not actually words but please forgive me. net from georgia -- johnny know the answers to questions he is asking? sometimes i wonder that myself. does johnny prep before these quick. i hope he does not prep too hard. larry from locklyn, california, whatever happened to montaric's? they are too hateful. dvr the show. remember, i'm watters. ♪ ♪ >> joey: hello, and welcome to "fo

jacksons. >> greg: that's a good one. >> harold: dominique wilkins. >> jesse: i had michael michael jordan. >ed. >> jesse: he doesn't like me? >> greg: he hates you. you almost lost your virginity to michael jordan. >> kennedy: it's a true story. melody think about it, i wish -- >> greg: a game? >> kennedy: on the men's room at the bar, if i lost, i had to go to his hotel room come if i won come i got four seats to the bulls-nats game. i am 50 come i look back, imagine -- >> jesse: you could have had his kids. >> kennedy: i didn't even think about that. >> greg: wouldn't be on "the five" anymore. >> greg: joe strum her the clash. what's a lost skill that no one seems to remember how to do? harold, you might -- >> harold: math. everybody has to resort to something to help them get through. plus, they are teaching math in a very different, unorthodox weight in schools, which confounds me. >> greg: jesse? >> jesse: read a map. >> greg: yes! >> jesse: do you remember in the car rides, and then you have to re-fold it. >> greg: no one asks for directions anymore but when you do, people look like yo

and his brother jesse jackson junior once represent the state's second district. he told c-span about how he became the godson of the late martin luther kingct jr. i was two years of eight i was 66 and i went to emergency procedure. my father reverend jesse jackson was in town working i had a bad about of pneumonia and martin luther king to the hospital. for me. with the family. my father left the university of chicago to join martin luther king i am got vague memories of a plastic container from having some breathing issues that's how it all began. >> describe your childhood? >> exciting. i always felt like i was pretty much in the front seat of american history. but the second grade i did not participate in show and tell my father had a big event called push expo. at that time over 1 million people came to the events and stockyards part of chicago. those were the characters of zoom, sesame street, the jackson five all these persons. then i realized during the show itself classmates were proud their parents attended the event that i realized something was differe

his father is the reverend jesse jackson and his brother once represented the state's second district. he spoke about how he became the godson of the late martin luther king juror and junior. >> i was born in college hospital and my father, jesse jackson was in town working. then after about the second grade. i participated in show and tell. my mother and father had the big event called push expo. at that time over a million people came to the event in stockyards part of economic. that is where the characters of zoom to "sesame street" toes jackson 5. all of these persons. then i had realized on show-and-tell that many of my classmates were proud that they had attended the event. so something was different are work with my parents. andist coo captured by the characters and i didn't want to take any of their shine away so i shared my personal stories and held back my personal stories. we were always on the edge of seeing ministers and entertainers that would come by the house. i would see the ministers who spoke at our house for dinner. i knew it was something different so i always sat