would plot against seo then stock exchange so it all comes back to revolution muslim and now jesse morton from nypd this is who we knew demonstrating in new york city in times square. may 1, 2010 that you may remember the day they moved his vehicle into times square to explode it nothing to do with jesse morton in particular but he was there doing his don -- demonstration and also with the nypd the undercover informant and digital undercover's that is on the policy side of it but now we will just handed over to jesse morton. >> thank you. the primary complaint when we split the society was that they did not recognize the growing inuence of the internet and number two to unabashedly support and endorse al qaeda publicly so we differed in that so for them demonstration and real-world activity was from not calling for the reestablishment but for us it was a mean to run parallel to the education associated with the nationstate. sue can say those efforts we engaged in were the virtual caliphate. we would shoot everything that we did and training and working in the backyard with the question an

jesse morton. i reached out to jesse and he was interested. i also want to thank jesse for his hard work on this effort. i couldn't have done thi without him. muhammad babar didn't actually see action in afghanistan and pakistan, but he did provide materials, sleeping bags, night vision goggles to al qaeda. he participatedn training camp in 2004 where some of the 7/7 bombers as well as a member of a plot called crevice in the uk were involved. again, this group and its sp spinoffs, deadly connections. in talking about revolution muslim, you have to understand in the united states, there was a spinoff cal the islamist thinkers society in new york city. jesse and one of his colleagues left the thinkers society to found revolution muslim. because, frankly, islamic thinkers society, all they did was talk. they weren't provacative enough. as a result, they spun off into revolution muslim. in our paper we talk about the origins and you have to go back to the 1950s in the middle east. that just provides some of the background, you know, for it. why w

jesse morton, a former g hottie who became an informant for the f vi took part in a discus am i is about hourd half. thank you for coming this afternoon. thank you for those who are watching this today. this is the launch of a paper. this is from evolution muslim to islamic state that was cowritten by [ indiscernible ]. he was an investment bank and -- banker on 9/11. he saw the planes cras the towers. he went to columbia and do a studies in ma. he joined the new york police department where he became the head of intelligence analysis. one of the most impo taetth he had was a group called revolution islam. the other author helped found the program. they will talk about the report. candace who was involved with this as well, when she was that u..t anisa valued colleague, will make observatio, and we will open it up for a wider conversation. i will hand it over to mitch. >> good rnooever first fall, i would like to think of new america. thank you for hosting us today. when approached about the idea of a paper written by a former g hottie extremist and counterterrorism professional, there w

jesse morton, a former g hottie who became an informant for the f vi took part in a discussion at new america. this is about one hour and a half. >> thank you for coming this afternoon. thank you for those who are watching this today. this is the

jesse morton, a former g hottie who became an formant for the f vi took part in a discussion at new america. this is about one hour and a half. >> thank you for coming this afternoon. thank you for ose who are watching this today. this is the launch of a paper. this is from evolution muslim to islamic state th was cowritten by [ indiscernible ]. was an investment bank and -- banker on 9/11. he saw the planes crash into wershe went to columbia and do a studies in ma. he joined the new york police department where he became the head of intelligence analysis. one of the most important targets that he had was a group called revolution la

jesse morton is a former jihadi who became an informant for the fbi. he's part of the discussion. the event was organized by new america. >>> i run the international security program here. thanks for coming this afternoon. thank f