and succeeding maybe they can as well thank you so much, it is a really important conversation, jessica kriegel, we appreciate your voice on this that wraps it up for me, everybody, i am yasmin vossoughian, i will be back in the chair next saturday an sunday at 2 pm eastern right here on msnbc. simon starts right now >> hello, i am melissa murra and for symone sanders townsend this hour on symone mike pence slams former president trump i his sharpest public criticis yet. we have the latest on what the former vp said about trump's endangering his family and others on january 6th. and what it means for the 2024 presidential race as trump heads to iowa tomorrow plus, the new abortion bil case that is setting up alar bells and we will fill you i on a texas wrongful deat lawsuit that could have chilling effect on anyon accessing abortion care in the lone star state. and former texas state senator wendy davis who famously filibustered an anti-abortio bill on the floor of the texas capital will join me to explai where the fight for abortion rights goes next and later, and our serie celebrating her sto