. >> commissioner jessica rosenworcel has given you credit for an idea, she calls it the race to the top where you would basically incentivize someone to come up with a way to use spectrum, perhaps 50 or 100 more times better and then if they do that, they would get a license for some spectrum. can you -- is this something you've proposed, and give us a sense for what you hope this would accomplish? >> guest: well, the issue is to motivate people to use this new spectrum and what commissioner or rosenworcel and i suggested is literally a contest. it's a process that would take perhaps ten years because we have to have various steps. but we're suggesting the objective is to demonstrate that you can operate the spectrum at least 100 times more effectively than is being done today. i now think that we were much too soft. it ought to be more than 100 times. but just think of what happens. if you go through this process, you ask people to demonstrate on paper that they can do this, and you sort out the people who have the best solutions, and then you go to the next step, and they have to