stake in february of 2021, after shares surged more than 100% and during that time they added jessie cohen to the board and sold stub hub. so the question is can you push him to do other things, like at dell spinoff at vm ware. b benoff a different animal. >> what this is coming down to is this is not cutting enough is what the activists are saying across the board two ways to do it, cut more people than salesforce planned or spinoff businesses but in this market environment not clear what you'd get for them. >> one more before star board announced it was taking a stake, salesforce did announce measures in long term terargets to expand margins and reduce their sales and marketing spend to about 35% of revenue those plans were in place. clearly these activists investors saying that's not good enough. >> thank you >>> for more on salesforce, let's talk about this and bring in analyst brad zelnick. i assume you were listening to the conversation what do you think here, what can they achieve that mark benoff isn't already doing? >> good morning, thanks for having me. i would say that there's n