marketing specialist as you know my definition of marketing is that we must promote and present jesus christ to the world as lord and savior so it's the message under person as all are to be honest has been established but what we're doing is presenting jesus in the way that the bible presents him the brother presents him as being lord we must tell that to the world about the present him as being the only a savior for the world for mankind to present him as the healer as the great physician present him as a god of love and so many other things what we're doing in marketing of jesus christ is presented in jesus in this way in other words the bible way so whatever means we do it through whether it's a television literature stand in a street corner talking to people at work at the office or anywhere else communicating the message it's all about presenting jesus in the way the buy a book presents him it's also i mean it could be fair it's a business to i mean you have to have a business model and they're casting any aspersions on your work whatsoever but you know in filming this message and in t

the bab present him as a god of love and so many other things what we're doing in marketing of jesus christ is presenting jesus in this way in other words the viable way so whichever means we do it through whether it's a website television literature stand in a street corner talking to people at work in the office or anywhere else communicating the message it's all about presenting jesus in the way the bible presents him yes but also i mean it let's be fair it's a business to i mean you have to have a business model and i am not casting any aspersions on your work not whatsoever but you know in telling this message and the the ideas associated with this person at the center of this religion you do have to have a business plan don't you. well yes and the and then of course there's different of the people in the world they're the genuine genuine christians who want to present and from what jesus christ correctly and there are those who want to make money and therefore they see marketing as a means by which they can persuade people to buy their products and you listed a few already but there's

right now is another round of his debates on a cross talk with a look at the role of jesus christ in a free market economy where jesus jeans christian wrong even jesus pills are available that's next here on our city. the british science. markets finance scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy in the kinds of reports on our t.v. . can. flow in welcome to crosstalk computable biz the lord need marketing some are selling christian rock jesus jeans and even jesus pills is this the right way to promote christianity in the twenty first century or is it a new profitable nice for those who have nothing to do with face. you can. still. discuss christian marketing i'm joined by you and getting in london he is director of marketing and communications at the un getting marketing consultancy and in columbus we go to philip ross he's a pastor and author and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger all right gentlemen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in any time you want if i can go to you philip first. christianity is a message everyone wou

the one kids want to eat ♪ jesus christ superstar ♪ do you think you are what they say you are ♪ ♪ jesusre what they say you are ♪ >>> "jesus christ superstar" the music that propelled you into the strattosphere. very controversial at the time. of course this moment the musical is exploding and winning tonys. >> i don't know. maybe you can't, maybe some people these days you can't shock people. but we never wrote superstar to be in any way shocking. we wrote it because we wanted to write the story of the man. in fact, we really wanted to write a love triangle because the whole thing was, did jesus christ have god on his side. which bob dillon and i did. did jesus get betrayed. what's very thrilling for me is that this production up in canada. it's really the first time that i've seen the love triangle absolutely tackled broad side. >> you've created these amazing musicals. in '76 it's launched. even now people are doing new versions of them. >> it depends on the quality of the actors and performers. this one is very well acted. superstar nobody was interested in doing it in the theater w

in fact, we really wanted to write a love triangle because the whole thing was, did jesus christ havetrayed. what's very thrilling for me is that this production up in canada. it's really the first time that i've seen the love triangle absolutely tackled broad side. >> you've created these amazing musicals. in '76 it's launched. even now people are doing new versions of them. >> it depends on the quality of the actors and performers. this one is very well acted. superstar nobody was interested in doing it in the theater when we started sponsorship we did it as a record. all we did move was the "dream coat." so we did another one. we thought we looked at that. one time "jesus christ superstar" was going to be ♪ samuel, samuel, this is the first book of samuel ♪ >> that true? >> yes. >> one song was "kansas morning." ♪ i long for kansas morning." >> her dreadful line. ♪ i see you now ♪ you're flying high ♪ kansas on my brain ♪ i'm trapped in maine >> which of all the musicals is your personal favorite of yours? >> oh, difficult one. i'm very fond of "sunset boulevard." >> that's my favo

evidence doesn't say he believes in jesus christ and jesus' teaching. >> he calls himself a culturalhristian. who are we to decide whether he is a christian or not? my point. >> bill: mussolini said he was a christian and mussolini went to church, he was a catholic. that's insane. you can call yourself whatever you want. here's the difference. there is no evidence this man was a member of a church. no evidence that he followed the teachings of jesus christ, as you know. they are nonviolent. okay? no evidence that he had anything to do with the christian faith. yet, they call him a christian because he says he is? come on. >> well, i mean, how are we to know? i mean if somebody says they are a christian, then you have to take them at their word? >> no, you don't. i don't think mussolini was a christian. and i absolutely don't. >> you and i got into a debate about whether the fort hood shooter should have been called a muslim terrorist. >> bill: correct. >> i think there are over a billion muslims in the world. i think most muslims would tell that you guy is not a muslim because we don

we've no less days to sing god's praise than when we first begun >> will hold a gospel of our lord jesus christccording to matthew -- seeing the multitudes, jesus went up into a mountain and when he was set, his disciples came unto him. he opened his mouth and it taught them blessed are the poor and spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. blessed are they that mourn for they shall be comforted. blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. blessed are they which to wonder and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled. blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy. blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see god. blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of god. blessed are they who are persecuted for righteousness for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shell said all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. rejoice and be exceedingly glad for great is your report in heaven, for the profits which are before you, the gospel of the lord. >> praise be to crest. --christ. [n

and in jesus christ, his only son, our lord. who has conceived by the holy ghost, born of the virgin mary, suffered under pilot, was crucified, died and buried. he descended into hell. the third day he rose again from the dead. he ascended into heaven and sit on the right hand of god, the father all mighty. from then he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. i believe in the holy ghost, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins. the resurrection of the body, and the life ever lasting, amen. the lord be with you. >> and also with you. >> let us pray. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ thy kingdom come ♪ thy will be done ♪ on earth as it is in heaven ♪ ♪ give us this day our daily bread ♪ ♪ and forgive us our debt ♪ as we forgive our debtors ♪ and lead us not into temptation ♪ ♪ but deliver us from evil ♪ for thine is the kingdom ♪ ♪ amen ♪ >> give courage and faith to those who are bereaved that they may have strength to meet the days ahead in the comfort of a reasonable and holy hope in the joyful expectation of etern

the holy gospel of our lord jesus christ according to matthew.es, he went up into the mountain and when he was set, his disciples came unto him. he opened his mouth and talk to them saying, blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. blessed are they that mourn for a day shall be comforted. blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. blessed are they which do hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled. blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy. blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see god. blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of god. blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute -- and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely. rejoice and be exceedingly glad for great is your reward in heaven. for so persecuted they the profits which were before you -- the prophets which were before you. >> reverend homgren, honored

the holy gospel of our lord jesus christ, according to matthew. a mountain, and when he was set, his disciples came unto him, and he open his mouth and talk them. blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. blessed or they that more, for they shall become kampf -- for they shall be comforted. blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. blessed are they which do under and a thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled. blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see god. blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of god. blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake. rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven. for so persecuted they the profits which are before you. the gospel of the lord. >> honored guests, reverend, mike, jac

faith in god and in jesus christ as her maker and provider, he redeemer, he counselor and friend.ate in her life. at the beginning of her recovery from her dependency on alcohol and prescription drugs. we know of mom's faith. mom's faith in the value, the dignity, the worth of her fellow man, and more specifically, her faith in each of her children, in her brother and sister, her son and daughters-in-law, her grandchildren, her great grandchildren, as men and women of good character with great potential and great promise to lead and serve others for the good of all. we know of mom's hope that god's design and his gracious purposes for all mankind would be worked out and fulfilled through human history, and we know of her hope that each of us as family might discover and embrace that special call of god on our lives and for our futures, and timely, mom's love. we know of mom's love. her love of god and his personal touch on her life. bringing good out of evil, healing out of brokenness, joy and dancing, yes, dancing. she was quite a dancer. bringing dancing out of sorrow. we know h

in this we ask in the name of jesus christ, our savior.he casting of their care on you the man of the consolation of your love through jesus christ our lord. amen. >> grant us grace and to the never failing left received the arms of mercy and remember her according to the favor and to your people. amen. >> god, grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change, the courage to change the things i can come and the wisdom to know the difference. living one day at a time, enjoying one moment at a time, accepting hardships as the pathway to peace, taking as he did this sinful world as it is, not as i would have it, trusting that he will make all things right if i surrender to his rule that i may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with him forever in the next, amen. ♪ ♪ >> give rest, christ come to your servants. the creator and the maker of mankind, and we are mortal, formed of the earth and onto earth shall we return for a sold-out when created me dost thou art and unto dust shall thou return all we go down to the du

and bonhoeffer said, when jesus christ calls a person, he calls him or her to die. so he was that devoted to what's this. but he -- what's there. but he also enjoyed the life that jesus also enjoyed. >> bonhoeffer could have died either way. >> with what's that? >> bonhoeffer could have died either way, nonviolently resisting hitler. he did die probably trying to resist hitler. >> yeah. well, it took him l a year and a half to get to him, but, yes, he knew he was doomed. again, if you're trying to shoot the head man, you're doomed. they had all the power, and they got him. so there's nothing, there's no other alternative for him. he could only live by his witness. thank you. >> another question. sir, thank you. >> as one who's not even sure how to spell bonhoeffer, i know little about him. but what led up to his imprisonment and final death? what was the background? why was he in jail? >> okay. that's a very good question. and, by the way, my name is marty, m-a-r-t-y. [laughter] >> i've heard of you. >> bonhoeffer, and you should hear the people in taiwan pronounce i

is salvation limited only to those who profess faith in jesus christ? one prominent evangelical pastor has re-opened the ancient debe. kim lawton reports. ♪ i can only imagine ♪ what i will do >>> for millennia, people have being trying to imagine what happens after death. is there a heaven? who gets in? and what happens to those who don't? >> everybody dies. we want to hope that the people we love we'll see again, and we want to hope that our own identities and our own consciousness and maybe even our own bodies exist in some other realm after we're gone from this earth. >> books trying to provide answers to these age-old questions continue to be bestsellers. one of them "love wins" by michigan mega church pastor rob bell has ignited an intense new debate, particularlymong evangelical christians. >> a lot of people, the conception they we handed of thchriian ith that you go around making judgments, so-and-so we know for sure is burning forever in that place. you don't know that. that's speculation. >> if you reject the kingdom of god, it doesn't really

when jesus christ calls a person, he calls him or her to die. he was that devoted to what's there, but he also enjoyed the life that jesus also enjoyed. >> he could have died either way. >> but that -- >> he could have died either way, nonviolently. >> yeah, it took him a year and a half to get to him, but yes, he knew his doom. if you're trying to shoot the head man, you're doomed. they had all the power, and they got him, so there's nothing, no other alternative for him. he could only live by his witness. thank you. >> another question. sir, thank you. >> as one who is not even sure how to spell, dietrich bonhoeffer, know little about him. what led up to his imprisonment and final death. why was he in jail? >> okay. great question. by the way, when you should spell dietrich bonhoeffer. my name is marty, m-a-r-t-y. >> yeah, i heard of you. [laughter] >> you should hear the people in taiwan pronounce it. why he was in prison -- first of all, he was a resister all along, and those people in the reform churches that resisted were marked. everyone k

. >> reporter: jesus christ in the coal mine. >> yes, yes. >> reporter: tell me about jesus christ inorker. you see after you go down in the mine, you're depending on the lord. and that's jesus christ. you can't depend on nobody else. who you going to depend on? >> reporter: people call you folk art. trying to put new a category. ship say thats racist. it's art i. think it's a cool thing because actually i think all art is eye. >> reporter: seems to me you don't let any of it bother you. >> nothing. nothing. it never has. >> reporter: not even the controversies? >> no. >> reporter: not even when people write or what they say about you? >> well, feel good about it. you know? you have to feel good about something. >> reporter: i'm wondering if you look at this stuff and you go, me? all this for me? >> yeah. i think about it. i think about it, all of that, too. because it's amazing. it's amazing to see stuff that i did, and people have came and looked at it. >> reporter: thornton dial, thank you so much. the exhibit running now through august 22nd in atlanta. >>> casey anthony, acquitted

. >> jesus christ in the coal mine. >> yes, yes. >> tell me about jesus christ in the coal mine. >> well in the mine, you're depending on the lord. and that's jesus christ. you can't depend on nobody else. who are you going to depend on? >> when people call you folk art and try to put you in a category. >> right. >> there are some people in the art world say that's racist. it's art. what do you think? >> i think it's art too because actually, i think all art is art. >> it seems to me that you don't let any of it bother you. >> nothing. nothing, and never have. >> not even the controversies? >> no. >> not even when people write about you or say about you. >> well, feel good about it. you know, you have to feel good of something. >> i'm just wondering if you look at this stuff and go, all this for me? >> yeah, i think about it. i think about all of that, too, because it is amazing. it's amazing to see stuff that you have did and people have came and looked at it. >> thornton dial, so glad he opened up to me. thank you so much, sir. by the way, the exhibit is running now through august 27th

may be this kid will be a piece maker, a modern day jesus christ as this jew understands jesus. i don't know what does. week 21, everyone thinks i'm having a boy. by everyone, i mean the waiter and my grandmother and neighbor across the street. i was getting out of my car and she yelled "your having a boy". week 22, my family is involved in an all out campaign on the names i'm considering. she mocks the mothers calling after their sons, sebastion. i didn't realize lisa is racist. makes me like the name more. i say good, because i'm hoping for a fag. week 25, it's 4:00 a.m. and i'm give up for an hour. who do i do for circumcision. it's a covenant with god. it seems like they feel plenty of pleasure. may be we should reduce a man's pleasure. may be this was god's way of reducing a man's libido. may be my son is not going to study the torah. we need to identify proudly. but then, am i imposing my will on my child? i can't have a child. week 30, i have an appointment at the hollywood birth center where i will have natural childbirth, which i don't recommend. alex is my primary care

when you look into their eyes, the greatest need they have is a personal relationship with jesus christ. >> recently he and his wife heidi took their sons on a mission trip to you guest it, india. >> 1 of the most special times was when our little boy at 3 sang jesus loves the little children of the world. it was my heart's desire he would truly know what he was singing. and that god does love those little boys and girls, really, our time here on earth is short and live every minute for eternity. >> just like his grandfather did. >> there is a lot of pressure to do these things for the lord. it is not anything that my dad has called me to, my grandfather has called me to. this is a calling from god. >> john jessup cbn news. >> archaeologist nor jerusalem discovered a rare gold bell believed to be part of a priestly garment in the time of jesus. julie stall brings us more from jerusalem. >> that is the sound of a 2,000 year old bell. >> the man would wear the bell on his coat. everyone would hear him. it is not a big noise. just to give some respect to this man. new archaeologist uncover

he said, quote, i love winston churchill and ronald reagan and jesus christ. yeah, that's original. did he cut and paste this list from candidate answers .com? >> i think there is a comma missing. and abraham lincoln, there was an exclamation. >> there is no way a sane human being could say jesus christ is one of these favorite political figures. >> he coontd have been more cliched in these answers. >> you don't want your president to surprise you. you want him to be predictable. >> he is just full of surprises from what i read. >> the water and the wine people likeyy magic. >> i read my bible. he was a community organizer and a good one at that. but neverland for anything. >> but you have to put him on the list. >> absolutely. >> did he leave anyone out? >> yes, kim kardashian. i don't know howls times i should say this. >> you said before stalin should have been put on the list. >> absolutely. talk about organizing. he may as well said yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn. >> that was the one time he showed pinosh and i'm sure he got bad feedback from it. >> are you probably right. and north ko

because god it's going to be cake his people many christians also believe the second coming of jesus christ can occur without the state of israel but i suppose he could but he won't know where to land because he's supposed to land on the mount of olives and he has to go into the temple compound christian zionists believe that only when the jewish people are in israel the end of the world can begin if you're a believer in jesus you will go up. the rapture yes. if the jewish people it's still a mystery how god's going to work all that. but there is not. we do you think. the jews are god's chosen people other say they are here for more earthly reasons including lobbying congress on the quote biblical position of to find support for the nation of israel on wednesday we go to capitol hill and we speak to our congressman our senators and encourage them to stand with israel and all their voting on the final day of the summit christians united for israel iran to settles and makes appointments for all of its attendees to visit their representatives in congress ensuring a strong voice for pro israel

eighteen page manifesto this was a guy that it made he had no personal relationship with god or jesus christ perfectly happy to have worshipers of odin on his team he was into racial purity he wanted to develop these and be true fertilization facilities and third world countries where they would breed ninety five to ninety nine percent pure nordic types and then shortly before his attack he planned to spend the night with a two thousand euro a night to hooker and consume a bottle of wine he purchased at an auction in one thousand seventy nine and saving for a special purpose so he might call himself a christian i wouldn't i don't think anybody else would well. they're the arguably but ok my point isn't that he's doing this in the name of jesus you know my point was that he was born christian he was this is this guy's not a muslim terrorist and his brother was motivated by a number of right wing fundamentalists in the united states not some christian probably most of them people that you and i would agree are not actually christians but they were you know hate mongers basically is not only a