jha in just a moment. but these are the pictures of 20 men and women from across the country who lost their lives to this virus. just take a look at those for just a moment. none of them are alive now. and then imagine 10,000 screens like this. that's what it is. each one of them with a family now alone struggling to make sense of their loss. just like some of the families i've spoken to. >> he was the love of my life, and i love him. he was a part of me. and i just -- i -- i feel lost without him. >> i explain how i get through the day by saying that i pretend. i pretend that this awful thing hasn't happened to us and our family and our friends and community. it's a constant -- it's a constant in my mind, a constant how do i get through the rest of my days without him. >> kaitlan collins is "outfront" tonight. she's in moontownship, pennsylvania. that's where the president is. she's about to speak at a crowded rally where i'm sure kaitlan will tell us people are packed and few are wearing masks. do you ex

jha: i think they have been too slow to act. industry in france, for instance, remains open. i know they are closing things in versailles, but when you have our gel breaks, you can't really afford to have indoor dining and bars open at all because they are very conducive to spreading the virus. i think they have been too slow and not being aggressive. guy: we are now seeing pushback in marseille, coming from small businesses, restaurateurs, etc. pushing back very strongly. you're seeing it elsewhere as well, certainly in madrid, here in the u.k.. do you think a compliant public is willing to deal with the new restrictions that are coming into place? dr. jha: this is all about leadership and communication, and about helping people understand that you can either act now or, if you choose not to act, or if you are not compliant, things will get worse , hospitals will get overwhelmed, and then you have to shut down a much larger part of the economy. so there's no way out of it. we are in the middle of a pandemic. can't just will you

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jha is still with us. dr. jha, your reaction to that story, particularly the danger it could pose to patients who are expecting to get their medicines at a specific time. >> that story is very disturbing and frustrating because we need the postal service to work for many reasons, not the least of which is, you know, there are a large number of americans with chronic disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, other diseases who rely on those medicines. if you run out a few days. a disease like diabetes, if you run out, it can be very dangerous and land people in the emergency room, in the hospital. we need a postal service that's reliable. i listened to that story and was very concerned about a lot of people with chronic disease who need these medicines. >> dr. jha, we always appreciate you. thank you for your time, sir. we'll let you get back to it. >>> we are following more breaking news on this wednesday morning. a perfect storm is fueling those wildfires out west. unprecedented wildfires. officials now have a

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jha was sharing.laces in the red there might be an elevated risk that the kids themselves wouldn't get sick but they would get mom and dad sick and maybe brother and sister sick. and that kind of goes back to our critical thing about what's the number one rule of virus economics. you got to slow the spread of the virus. in the countries where they've got low rates of infection, they've gone back to school and i do think that's critically important, especially in these unequal times. >> dr. jha? can't hear you. >> sorry. you would think i would know this by now. the last thing i would say is two quick things. first of all, we've not seen any play -- really trying to hoopenp schools in the red zone. one place was israel. they had a large outbreak. i believe in data. the other part of this is that schools are not just run -- don't just have kids. they have adults. and adults can transmit to each other and teachers can transmit to other teachers. we don't have a lot of evidence to show that's happened. if

jha. u.s. coronavirus cases on the day which we've now learned he got this briefing, saying this is going to be the most important thing in your presidency. this is a catastrophic case. there were only five cases at that point. there hadn't been any deaths yet. by february 7th, when he's actually talking on the phone with bob woodward, there were only 12 cases and there were zero deaths. by june 20th, and this is after they'd resumed back -- they stopped doing rallies at a certain point. and they brought them back. by june 20th, we were almost at 2.3 million cases. we had 120,275 deaths. here is what happened on june 20th. a little bit of tape. this is the rally that donald trump held indoors with herman cain there, by the way, in oklahoma. in tulsa, oklahoma. there it is. there are now 120,275 people dead on this day, herman cain was there. he's now dead. dr. jha, there's no -- i don't see how you cannot argue that donald trump, had he act on january 28th could have prevented at least some --

jha, southern california saw spikes after july 4th, after memorial day.y're not closing any beaches this time for labor day. in florida, they are closing some beaches so who exactly has it right? >> yeah, you know, i don't necessarily think we need to be closing beaches. to me, the beaches aren't where the spread is happening because it's outdoors and again, don't let them get super packed, so maybe manage how incredibly -- how busy they get, but what happens is people get together on beaches and then they go out to the bar afterward, and that's what really spreads the disease. so keep the beaches open, close the bars and i think we can get through it pretty safely. >> dr. jha, you mentioned this earlier, but let's be real. it will be labor day weekend. people have been living with the pandemic for seven months. they'll want to go to beaches and see family and friends at barbecues. what can you recommend to make sure people can have a fun labor day, but also stay safe into the fall? >> yes, so i do believe we can have a fun labor day. we can't do everythi

jha joins us live with the latest. >>> election countdown. with eight weeks to go the candidates hit the trail as joe biden calls president trump un-american over that report alleging the president called fallen soldiers losers. the president fires back. this morning, former white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders joins us live only on "gma." >>> new fallout after the tennis superstar was disqualified from the u.s. open after accidentally hitting a lineswoman with a ball. the line judge now being targeted by internet trolls. how novak djokovic is now coming to her defense. >>> royal retreat. prince harry and megan and their megamillion dollar netflix deal. what it could mean for the couple and the royal family. >>> and the king of the ballroom. six-time dancing champ derek hough and his bombshell ballroom announcement. he's joining us live. you'll hear it first only on "gma." >>> and we certainly do say, good morning, america. it's great to be with you on this tuesday morning. amy and george, i don't know about you but it feels lik

jha. columbia university agrees with you. they say that one week earlier had we been alerted one week earlier, had we been starting to do some of those -- use some of the tools would have prevented 36,000 deaths two weeks earlier would have prevented 84% of the deaths and it's heart breaking to think of the friends and the neighbors that we all had that would have been here if we had moved a little bit sooner. >> yeah. you know, if we -- people say where do you get to the 80% to 90%, i would point to germany. germany's death rate per population is dramatically -- it's about 80% lower than ours. and germany is a great country but they don't have anything that we don't have. they don't have some cool technology that we're lacking. we have all of the capacity and arguably more than germany does. what we fundamentally lacked was a federal government willing to take this virus seriously and put the entire resources of the u.s. government and u.s. industry behind fighting the virus. we didn't do that and here's where we are. we can

ashish jha.jay, there's an initial inside the nih is telling cnn that astrazeneca which is the pharmaceutical company which caused for a moment its vaccine trial because of the adverse reaction to one patient, the nih said that astrazeneca needs to come clean even though the trials have resumed in the uk. what's going on here? >> yeah, we have been talking to lots of people about this, both on and off the record. there is concern about what specifically happened with this particular patient. we have known that for some time but i think there is a concern that there's still a pretty significant lack of transparency here. you know, the company astrazeneca still not saying exactly what the diagnosis was, but also oftentimes in these situations you want to share samples from the patient's blood. maybe even any tissue that may have been collected so that people can have a look at this and see does this make sense? was this related to the vaccine, could it have been totally coincidental and for whateve

jha was clear.e said everybody involved in the vaccine process, including the white house, has done an outstanding job on vaccines. those are his words. now he says we could have a vaccine by october. maybe november or december, he's thinking later in the year after the election. even when we pass that approval process, dr. jha says rolling this out to most americans who want to get a vaccine could go well into next year. even the summer. >> but i find dr. jha very encouraging. i think he always speaks his mind. i think he speaks very fairly. i like what he said. the vaccine has been done with integrity and let both sides dial it back. always good to hear from him. david, good to hear from you, too, wherever you are. thank you very much. >>> the protests that have rocked portland for 102 straight days are spreading to other parts of oregon. more than 100 supporters of president trump appeared last night in salem. that's about 45 miles from portland. they faced off against a small number of black liv

ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, thank you very much are you now hearing, at least from moderna and pfizer, enough about their plans for a rollout and for getting fda approval, is this somewhat reassuring given all the mixed messaging, especially from the president? >> so andrea, thank you for having me on it's great to see them releasing their protocols. one of the things that many of us have been calling for is a lot more transparency to build up confidence within the american people. so i was happy to see those. i want to hear more information from astrazeneca about what happened with the pause and why it was unpaused. there is still not as much forthrightness as i think we all need, but we're clearly heading in the right direction >> and again, the skepticism that many people have, certainly most of the scientists have about the president's timetable of a couple of weeks before it would be ready and could be distributed almost instantly to large sectors of the population because of the money that they've spe

ashish jha, of brown university. dr. jha, thanks for joining us there's a lot going on in the news and it's a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> let me start by getting your reaction to what we just heard there from dr. redfield. if we all wore masks for 6, 8, 10, 12, weeks, which is a range, we would bring this pandemic under control, calling masks the most important public health tool that we have right now. is that fair for him to put it that way >> yeah, it's clearly a very important public health tool so if everybody wore masks, 90% of americans wore masks, let's say, for sort of like 10 to 12 weeks, it would make a massive difference we could prevent a vast majority of the deaths that are likely to occur so i largely agree with dr. redfield, this is a really important prevention >> this comes at the same time that we have learned that the white house has dropped its private recommendations to states that are in trouble, to states that are having rising infection numbers. even as recently as a few w

jha, you're relieved to know he knows the seriousness, but isn't it more concerning that he knows ite's doing the opposite one would do to protect people against it? that makes me more pessimistic >> no, look, i'm completely sympathetic to that point. obviously the last six months have been a bit of a disasters for our country and the lack of federal leadership has been at the heart of that. what i'm hoping, we've had this fight on the seriousness of this virus, this misinformation pandemic and what i'm hoping, now that we have the president's own words on the record, we can stop arguing about whether this is the flu or not we can stop arguing about whether young people are affected or not and use his words to help educate his supporters and move the country forward. >> sir, where do you see that happening? the president is celebrating a judge in pennsylvania overturning rules meant to protect us >> no, look, i don't want to be excessively optimistic that somehow we're going to turn the corner, but i believe the president's words have power they certainly have power among his support

jha, where dr. fauci is on television, very frequently and doing other interviews warning people, please, please, please. dr. birx is traveling the country now, essentially delivering reports to governors saying your state is on fire. in the last few days, this is iowa, the house coronavirus committee released this one, this was a task force recommendation late july to iowa, continue to promote social distancing, wearing a cloth face mask when outside the home. in august, mandate cloth face coverings outside the home, in indoor settings. we know similar warnings have been delivered to georgia, to missouri. the president won't say this anymore, he won't lecture or pressure these republican governors to do things. dr. birx is running around delivering hot zone reports, but not listening. >> it is a very odd situation, where basically you have two top white house officials drr s dr. and dr. birx, going out and telling the truth, telling people what the science is. if you look at the reports that they'r

ashish jha, the dean at brown university school of public health. dr. jha, dr.auci calling florida's reopening very concerning saying we should be doubling down on public health measures right now while governor ron desantis said we're open and we're not closing again. how can a governor possibly know what's going to happen as far as public health going forward? >> yeah, good morning, stephanie. thanks for having me on. this is a replay of what happened after memorial day. a lot of states opened up and said we're not closing down again. then they had to close down bars and indoor dining because the cases spiked and people started dying. we should have learned the lesson already, but i'm worried we'll have to learn it again and worried, of course, because it will mean a lot of people will get sick unnecessarily. >> new york seeing more than 1,000 new daily cases for the first time since june. what do you make of it in terms of how concerned you are? >> two things. first, there's a lot of people who have been arguing, senator rand paul argued this, that somehow ne

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ashish jha, and adam serwer. let me start with you. you know, we have covered this for months now, this sweden idea and the herd immunity idea. three weeks, four weeks, five weeks into this novel pandemic, i understood people thinking, well, let's think outside the box here. but it just seems almost like crazy and almost unspeakably nihilistic for a white house adviser to be pushing this now. >> yeah. chris, thank you for having me on. it is a bit crazy. we are many months into this. we know some things that work and some things that don't. and work as defined by not having a lot of people die and not having your economy get destroyed. sweden is not the model for any of us. and, you know, even today dr. scott gottlieb, a former trump fda commissioner has a really good op ed in the wall street journal saying as much. the fact that this idea keeps coming up feels like laziness. you don't want to do the hard work of protecting american lives. so there is a strategy of let's just let it go and see where it goes. we know where it will go. >

jha, thank you for joining us. always appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> eva, over to you. >>> now to those new clashes between police and protesters in portland, oregon and rochester, new york, overnight after a violent weekend this as that new video of jacob blake is released speaking out for the first time from his hospital bed after being shot seven times by wisconsin police. matt gutman has the latest. >> reporter: overnight protesters skirmishing with police in portland and rochester. tensions are still running high. >> we got the power. >> reporter: in portland it was the 102nd consecutive night of unrest. protesters have lit this mattress. this one is about to go, and behind them are police officers and right behind them the north precinct. this following saturday night's spasm of violence, 59 arrested as protesters blasted fireworks at police at point-blank range. gasoline bombs lighting up the night. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: one molotov cocktail landed at the feet of a demonstrator, his legs on fir

he will turn it over to ray and utd will be up to the district attorney to whether to file charges jha the department is carnaling all aim time off and vacation requests to make sure it's fully staffed. one officer has been fired, none has been charged >>> chaos and confusion at the cdc. now that guidance has disappeared and now they say the posting was an error experts of knowledge tells the "new york times" that the lathest reversal seemed to be a reverse alof ap supof a rescien review process >>> the streets of houston already submerged. the fire department says shea 'already had to rescue 20 people from rescued cars. >> reporter: disaster deja vu. the tropical storm flooding coastal landfall >> the sea looks angry you can tell it's just mad >> some areas expecting up to 15 cinches of rain. >> in sur ever side beech an early storm zurge. >> hue bad does it have to be for you to get out of here. >> >> we're on level 8 >> the next stop louisiana, the storm headed for lake charles where thousands remane withopow. >> and port o'connor not only having to dole with the risk of flooding bu

ashish jha. welcome back, dr. jha. thanks for joining us. let's do the science first. masks?, dr. redfield is completely right about this. it is incredibly effective. there's no question. people should be wearing masks when they're outside their home. >> how about what is the expectation now on vaccines? we know these trials are all going on right now. we know some of the leaders think they may be able to announce some success by the end of the year but what about widespread distribution? >> yeah, so i think that's exactly right. we're going to have them announced before the end of this year, i hope, and that's what we're expecting and majority of americans will get their vaccine late spring to summer. might be a month or two earlier but not much. >> then we get into the question of what are we all supposed to take away when we see the president questioning the cdc director, the implication is there there is pressure on the cdc director. what impact will that have on whether people think a vaccine is safe and effective when it is distributed? >> yeah, so, george, this is frus

ashish jha is here. good morning. >> good morning. when you hear these numbers, what is your reaction that the white house was pressuring the cdc and putting -- and i think we have a graphic, to really downplay the risks of covid to children and therefore to reopening schools? >> so this is really fru to get our kids back to school safely. instead of putting time and effort into how to do that, feels like the white house was undermining the scientists in trying to assess and mitigate risk. instead of doing the hard work, we were undermining the entire scientific process and i think that's unfortunate. >> you know, the task force brings together those who offer different views and the president relies on the advice of the top health experts who agree it's in the public health interest to safely reopen schools. i think the issue is now is you have new york city reopening today the public schools after weeks of delays because of safety concerns, this matters for millions of children and potentially even more for, you know, all the folks

ashish jha, newly-appointed dean of brown university's school of public health. did you help these countries f australia, mosquito hear land and the uk, w did they handle to the pandemic? >> the bottom line is all three of those countries have done a much better >> the bottom line is, i think all three of those countries have done a much better job than we have. there's a lot of variation. they're noall the same. the u.k. probably has handled it the worst of the three.te they had q bad outbreak in the beginning, and a lot of people got sick and a lot of people died. but they're in much better shape now than we are. and the other two countries, both switzerland and australia, i think, have really been emplars of how you handle this pandemic. we saw in switzerland not just really good messaging that led to a pretty substantial lockdown, but then also government eagement in buying protective equipment that helped protect doctors and nurses. australia, i think, has been terrific at building up their testing infrastructure. they are tting widely with of positive tests

ashish jha, dean of the school of public health. thank you for being with us this morning. >> good morning. thanks for having me on. >> so you heard in alex's piece, holidays, the thing that we're most concerned about right now, brings out crowds. tns-to-schoea. molho hosew likely are we to see a ju in cases and deaths in a couple of weeks? >> in each of the previous holidays -- memorial day, july 4th -- we definitely saw a bump in cases afterwards and this time we're heading into the fall with kids going back to school as you said, so i'm pretty worried that if we don't act responsibly, we are going to see a surge of cases in the days and weeks ahead. >> we're already seeing a big jump in cases on college campuses. let's be real, it's hard to control the behavior of college students. these are for the most part, young, healthy people. how big of a concern is this and how should we handle it? >> absolutely. expecting 18-year-olds, 20-year-olds to behave perfectly and not gather i think is unrealistic. i think the responsibility here

jha.t to get your reaction to what we just heard about the cdc notifying all 50 states about how to prepare for a possible vaccine as soon as late october, early november. what do we make of this? is this a normal step in the process? >> yeah. so thanks for having me on. first of all it's always good to prepare. i think the notion of preparation isn't a problem. that time line is really aggressive. it's hard to imagine we're going to have the data necessary. but unfortunately when you then tie it in with the words of the fda commissioner who has said that he may ignore the advice of his own advisory committee and issue an emergency use authorization even without phase three trials being done, it does, i think, worry a lot of us that there is a rush here. we've really got to let the science play out before we make a decision on the vaccine. >> and we also heard dr. fauci's warning for labor day. this comes as this new report shows there's been a 17% increase in covid-19 cases in children ar

approach >> brangham: jha notes the u.s.course is much bigger tn switzerland, has a higher poverty rate, and the swiss have a more robust safety net. but there's more. >> andhat is kind of the rule-following mtality of the swiss. that the government says you must buy health insurae, and everybody says yes, okay, we will buy health inrance. as opposed to in america, where we bristle when the government tells us we have to do anything. and we bring up the broccoli argument: what if the government made you eat broccoli? the swiss don't worry eating broccoli. they think "if the government thinks that's something we oughw to dll do it." and in that way, it is very different, and it allows the swns health system to funct differently than what we've been able to do in the u.s. >> brangham: for the record, the broccoli, but sabine and jason are fine with it. they also know the insuranceat macosts them a lot, but they see it as part of the greater good, part of being swiss. for the pbs newshour, i'm eriam brangham in oberhofen am thu

ashish jha, the dean at brown university school of public health. doctor, always good to have you here. are you concerned that the u.s. will see another big spike in cases over this weekend? >> thank you for having me on. i am concerned. i think we saw as you said after memorial day a really big surge. after july 4th a moderate-size surge. and we go into labor day with 40,000 new cases a day. much higher than we were at memorial day. and so i'm worried that any new surges will be potentially quite catastrophic. we have to be very careful this weekend. >> let's talk about the race for a vaccine because we have this new cbs/ugov poll out today showing just 21% nationwide say they would get a vaccine as soon as possible if one was available this year without cost. now, that's down from 32% who said the same thing in july. that number obviously low as well. but how do you make sure the public has confidence in a vaccine? >> yeah, there's only one way to make sure people have confidence in the vaccine, and that's to let the science drive the timeline for

ashish jha is the dean of the brown school of public health.ery sunday, where are we? when the president says we turned a final corner, when you look at several days back at or above 40,000, and when you look at 25 states saying the positivity rate higher this week than last week, which tells you there are more cases coming in those states because when so many people are positive, more people get infected, where are we? >> good morning, john. thank you for having me on. a couple of weeks ago as we went into labor day we were talking about exactly this. and our worry that coming out of labor day as we have seen out of memorial day and july 4th we see an increase. and i was hoping that the third time was going to be the charm we were going to learn and not do this. and yet it does look like cases are starting to rise again, and unfortunately we're walking into the fall where weather gets cold, we spend more time indoors. this is not where we want to be as a country right now. >> not where we want to be. i want to put up the testing trend in the s

ashish jha studies health systems around the world.e's now the dean of brown university's school of public health, and he's been a collaborator on this series with us. >> is not like in the u.s. we're not making choices. we have tioning in the u.s. it's primarily based on your ability to pay and whether you have health insurance or not. so, the national health service ies to make explicit the rationing choices it's making. >> brangham: jha says the u.s. could learn a thing or two from a fully-funded version of this system. access for everyone. transparent cost controls. and people rarely going broke because they got sick. >> it's really clear to me that we could not do a wholesale adoption. where i think we g lost is the idea that somehow we could take the national health servicand just import it into america. and i think what's really lost is all that context. the history behind the national health service, the meaning people assign it. we don't have any of that. but there is a lot we can learn. and there are strengths of the national

ashish jha, the dean of the brown school of public health, dr.megan ranney affiliated with brown university. let's start where dr. fauci left off. he said you don't want to enter the fall with a high baseline. we are entering the fall with a high baseline, back above 50,000 new infections. the trajectory is pretty horrible, correct? >> yeah, good morning, john. thank you for having me on. the trajectory is all wrong. this is not where we want to be entering the fall. and, of course, the -- it is not just that our baseline is high, we're heading in the wrong direction. things are worse today about 30% higher number of cases than they were just two weeks ago. i think a lot of this was triggered by labor day weekend, which we were worried about. but also just by pandemic fatigue, people getting tired and we're not doing the things we need to do. >> we're not doing the things we need to do. a time like this, you need leadership at every level. the governor of florida, his state has come down some, but 10% positivity now, still generating a high numbe

ashish jha. wow. you heard the president. you've listened to these tapes. if the president knew how dangerous this was in february and downplayed it publicly, what is the impact of public health? >> thank you for having me on. it's very distressing and it's distressing because the administration really has not used science to guide its policy in the months of january and february. we didn't build up the testing infrastructure, downplayed the role of masks. they have downplayed the seriousness of this virus. and there's a massive misinformation campaign out there telling people this is nothing worse than the flu, that the president himself iterated. and yet we're now learning that the president knew better, the president knew what all the public health people knew. and instead of marshalling the forces of the u.s. government to protect the american people, we've had six months of immense suffering, 190,000 americans dead. it's all very, very preventible and obviously distressing. >> and, look, everyone is so divisive these days. but this is life and death. t

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ashish jha studies health arre systemnd the world, and he traveled with us for this series as a collaboratorhink what's really remarkable about what we've seen here in switzerland is it's a totally different model for achieving univerl health coverage, getting -- making sure everybody has cess to health care, providing high-quality care, in a way that's so different from what the u.k. does through the national health service, and actually in many ways pretty different om the u.s. approach. william:haotes the u.s. of course is a much bigger nation than switzerland, has a higher poverty rate, and ths have a more robust safety net. but there more. >> that is kind of the rule-following mentality of the swiss. the government says you must buy health insurance, and everybody says, yes, ok, we will buy as opposed to america, where we bristle when the government tells us we have to do anything. and we bring up the broccoli argument. what if the government made you eabroccoli? the swiss don't worry about tting broccoli. they think, if government thinks that something we should do, we will do it. it a

ashish jha responded on twitter, saying that's what white house staff and major league sports get now. sure, let's call it utopia when it's for the less privileged. the average number of daily cases and deaths have declined over the past seven days. as a coronavirus surge appears to be moving from the south to the midwest. but officials are concerned about what labor day weekend might bring, since cases spiked in many areas in the week after memorial day weekend and fourth of july. >> as we approach labor day, let me encourage people to be mindful. the virus is still looking for. if you come together, then you will give it a home. >> reporter: diane gallagher, cnn, atlanta. >>> new questions about president trump's health after a book says vice president was put on standby to assume the president's power while he made an unplanned trip to walter reed medical center. the president denying again tonight he had a stroke. plus, a democratic group is warning election day could look like a trump landslide, but those results won't be what they seem. s... neuriva has clinically proven ingredi

jha. we'll come to you, and we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up.ets dueling ads. wisconsin's lieutenant governor is here next. wisconsin's lieutenant governor hisere next . . . . test. >>> president trump is out with a new ad playing into what appears to be the theme of his general election campaign. joe biden will not keep you safe. >> biden and the radical left's weak response has led to chaos and defund of the police would make it worse. president trump is making it stop, sending national guard and federal law enforcement to protect wisconsin's families. >> the biden campaign is not calling for defunding police. a similar message of its own, donald trump already isn't keeping you safe and he hasn't made america great again. >> this is our chance to put the darkness of the past four years behind us. to end the anger. the insults, the division, the violence and start fresh in america, we can stop focusing on a president who thinks it's all about him and start focusing on what's best for us. >> both campaigns are now on the air in crucial swing sta

ashish jha. dr. jha, i'll start with you and ask you where we are with the coronavirus vaccine.ts in a way. i've noticed people loosening their own personal restrictions on the virus. is this something we can look at as behind us or still more coming? >> yeah, good morning, mika, thanks for having me on. unfortunately, it is not behind us, as much as we would all like to put it hyped us and move on with our lives. when i look at where we are today, we went into memorial day with about 20,000 cases a day. of course, we saw a huge spike over the summer. we entered labor day with about 40,000 cases a day. about twice as high as we were on memorial day. we're entering the fall with kids coming back, college kids coming back and more people spending time indoors. i am worried. i am worried about where we are. i'm certainly worried about any sense people have that this is all behind us. >> dr. dave, fascinating statement by the top pharmaceutical companies in america, who appear to be pushing back against the president and the head of the fda, who have been talking about shortcuts, no

jha says the u.s. could learn a thing or two from a fully funded version of this system.r everyone, transparenr cost cs. people rarely going broke because they got sick. >> where i tnk wthget lost is idea that somehow we could take the national health service and just import it into america. and i think wh's really lost t all that context. the history behi national health service, the meaning people assign it. we don't have any of that. but there is a lot we can learn. and there are strengths of the national service that we could abhelutely do better with in u.s. william:ince we first filmed with them back in february, liam was hospitalized and in critical cocan ition. this time, right in the middle of the u.k.'s worst stretch of the pandemic. but he's back he now, and doing ok. >> the general ethos that i've experienced is that nobody has given up. and every time we have an episode where it could go ther way, we come together and say , he hasn't given up, therefore we aren't giving up, and then good enough for meionals go, william: the murphy's say the nhs isn't perfect,

jha who's criticized this administration from the get-go questions those numbers. make of them? >> i think dr. atlas should stick to his profession. ooinds he's a very goi understa good radiologist. of course we're going to look at models. in a normal administration that's how you make policy. what we're looking at from these models is not a hardened point of 400,000 deaths by the end of the year. chris murray, who's the best in the business, predicts there's a range between 300,000 and 600,000 deaths we might have depending on how we behave. and yes, if everyone wears a face mask, we will reduce this disease down to almost nothing. i'm sorry, scott atlas, that's the truth of it. we have ample data to say that. in fact right now it's in our hands. do we save lives by wearing face masks or do we listen to some foolishness that says that we can't control this epidemic and we're helpless. we're not helpless. wear face masks, practice social distancing, have a great holiday. >> well, we will hopefully make sure our viewers listen to this and heed those warnings as well

jha, that scientists would come out if the white house were to ovecome outd overrule the fda. >> i'd want to see for myself. unfortunately with dr. hahn and what happened with plasma has a real challenge. but there are scientists like dr. peter marx and others as well who have a lot of credibility. they're great. hearing from him, dr. fauci, dr. collins, the head of nih, those, i think, would give the american people a lot more confidence if the process is going well. >> yeah. if they said get a vaccine, i would get a vaccine. if it was the president saying get a vaccine, i would say, let's see what the scientists say. i'm sure you would do the same. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >>> just ahead, adam schiff on president trump's refusal for a peaceful transfer of power if he were to lose the election. we'll be right back. this piece is talking to me. yeah? so what do you see? i see an unbelievable opportunity. i see best-in-class platforms and education. i see award-winning service, and a trade desk full of experts, available to answer your toughest questions. and i see it with

ashish jha, hello brown i guess you got a promotion. congratulations. thanks for being with us appreciate it. >> my pleasure >>> all right. we're going on 7:13. craig joins us now troubling story out of upstate new york morning. >> hoda, savannah, good morning. good morning to you as well. the police department in rochester is in turmoil this morning after the sudden retirement of its top officials. and protesters once again took to the streets overnight still demanding justice for the death of daniel prude. nbc's gabe gutierrez joins us with more. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. the police chief had been with the department for 20 years. but he'd been under growing scrutiny as the case made national headlines amid outrage over the death of daniel prude, the police department in rochester, new york, will now have new leadership after the police chief and deputy chief retired others were also retired or department demoted. >> i can assure this community that i am committed to instituting the reforms necessary in our police department >> r

ashish jha, who's now the dean of brown health, traveled w for public this series. he says that the seeming choice-- between medical lsnovation and universal coverage-- is a one. >> i reject that dichotomy of, somehow, we have to have 20, 25% ofeople uninsured if we're going to have a really highly innovative healthcare system. there are many reasons to reject that. so, take a state like massachusetts, where i live. d it's also veamic, incredible new innovations happening. and yet, pretty muchverybody in massachusetts is covered. >> reporter: so, how do we wrestle with this idea, that a we're lace with this incredible level of innovation, and technological advancement, and yet we are seeing these disparities in healthcare. what is causing that, those horrible end of the numbers? >> so, the disparities we see are driven, some by high costs, of course if healthcare spending was cheaper it would allow us to cover more people. but there's also a bunch of we've just decided, as amade. society, not everyone has decided this, but many political leaders have, that it's okay

ashish jha. tough night to have you, i got to tell you, these tapes. i had given him the benefit of being dumb of not listening to briefings, of not wanting to believe the data. that's bad enough, but he knew. he took sanjay's question. and he lied about the numbers. he lied about the relative severity during the same period, he told people not to wear masks, that places should open up, you attack those who didn't. he attacked those of us who gave a different message. and now you know you knew. he knew he was falsely accusing the rest of us, and lying to the country. what do you think the difference was medically between what he was doing and if he had gone the other way of, we all have to do the following things, we have to get testing right now, we have to get through it. we have to get through it together. this is our national resolve, this is our big moment. let's do it. what would have been the difference? is it measurable? >> chris, thank you for having me on. look, we are 190,000 americans are dead. i believe that if the president and this admin

ashish jha, thank you so much. it is always great to talk to you. that is "all in" for tonight. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. big show for you tonight, including an exclusive report tonight, a previously unreported story about the cdc's scientific work on coronavirus being compromised and changed because of top-down political pressure from washington. that is coming up this hour. this is something that we have o been chasing for months. we have finally nailed it down g with multiple sources. we've got that for you in just a moment. >>> we are also going to speak in just a moment exclusively with senator chuck schumer, who, of course, is the top democrat t in the united states senate. he is at the center of the brawl over filling the seat on the u.s. supreme court that has now been left open by the death of justice ruth bader ginsburg. this interview with me tonight will be senator schumer's firstr

ashish jha,de of the brown school of public health and a collaborator with us on this series, says, yes, there are significant problems here-- but every nation's health system is a work in progress, and australia has made important strides that the u.s. hasn't. >> when we look across the world, we see lots of different systems that seem to work. they get universal coverage, good outcomes, reasonable costs. they don't all look like each other. and there's a lot we can learn from australia, from the u.k., from switzerland, all of which have very different systems from each other. but each of them can teach us t specifngs about how we can improve coverage and lower costs, improve outcomes for our own country. h that's the ke, is to learn those lessons without worrying abouimporting any of these systems wholesale and trying to states.ant them into the united >> rorter: the members of th dunn family have given up trying to convince each other that their healthcare choices are best.he >> guys. >> cheers! >> reporter: they're okay withon the divisi. >> and i was going to say, ¡vive le differen