go ahead. >> rose: what's interesting is jiang zemin was very popular with western leaders. >> yes, he was. >> rose: much admired and liked because of his charm and almost western style. >> and that's part of the reason that deng selected him because he could combine that-- the charm and his commientto opening-- with a toughness. and he had crackdown on shanghai newspaper and he had cracked downn student movement and the 1986 and had done in the a relatively quiet way that was... >> rose: and hu jintao h cracked down in tibet. >>es. and denganted somebody who was very firm and hu bong had not been firm enough and i suspect although we don't have the smoking gun he probably thought that the man riding high a year before the tiananmen incident was tough enough, they are. >> rose: how did he define, "tough"? to make the hard steps that make sure there's nothing that happens that threatens the stability of the regime? >> yes, i think that's right. deng felt that from the opium war up to 1949 the country was in absolutely chaos and really couldn't progress. in the cultural revolution, it wa